Monday, 20 June 2011 05:41

Six+ Perspectives On: The Vancouver Riots

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Introduction- Juma Wood

Two weeks ago the Beams & Struts crew embarked on a pet project. We explored the place of sport in the human condition. For the most part, we celebrated the cultural and transcendental significance of athletic beauty, cultural euphoria and peak experience. 

But sport can also be a vehicle of expression for the rage that lurks within the culture. Sports riots and hooliganism are not unusual and certainly confirm to many the barbaric nature that underlines sport in our culture. That was kind of our point. We wanted to acknowledge in part that there are healthy channels of expression where the beast can rise to heights of beauty

And then this.ctv-riot

Vancouver, BC, Canada, among the most highly regarded progressive tourist jewels on the planet, has an anger problem. For two months, the entire province has been abuzz following the Vancouver Canucks run at the Stanley Cup.

Coming on the heels of a remarkably successful Olympics that peaked with an Ice Hockey Gold Medal, the city worked itself into a growing frenzy, anticipating one final orgiastic release. Deep down, we all believed this was our team’s time.

We also believed that this was our time. We threw a great party for the world 16 months ago, and now this one was for us. Tens of thousands of people poured into the streets for each game night, to spectacular photographic effect.

And in a moment the optics changed. Somehow we weren’t prepared for the dark side of the human experience, so often expressed in the context of sport. Somehow, 17 years after exactly the same event under exactly the same circumstances, we had duped ourselves into believing that this wasn’t possible. We were wrong.

Immediately our mayor and police chief and much of the media began circulating the narrative that a few bad apples had ruined it for the rest of us. Not true, as you will see in some of the first hand counts below.

This special edition of Six Perspectives On brings you no less than seven perspectives on the Vancouver riots.

 

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TJ Dawe

Here's my take on why the riots happened: we're a culture of spectators.

We grow up playing sports and games. In phys ed. At recess. In the park. In the backyard. We play for fun and get exercise as a bonus.

tj-riotIn high school everyone participates in phys ed, fewer qualify for the teams. The stakes are higher. You play other schools. Old rivalries play out. The spectators know and interact with the team members.

Fewer still play in university. Athletes have been scouted, given scholarships. Pretty much everyone else stops playing. We'll live vicariously through the pros. Whom we seldom if ever meet.

Fans attending a game might affect the outcome. Maybe. Fans at home, or watching on the streets downtown: not in the slightest. Cheer, boo, wave your flag, curse the ref all you want, no one in the arena has an inkling of your desires.

There's a horrible impotence at the root of the spectator's role, multiplied by how emotionally invested you are in the game. If it's more than just entertainment for you. If you aren't experiencing victories and accomplishments in your own life.

There's a horrible impotence at the root of most of our lives, multiplied by how little control we have over what we spend our time doing. It's a given our jobs won't fulfill us. The government won't do what we want. The tiniest minority gets rich and powerful. The internet offers some good stuff, but mostly provides empty addictive diversion. Summer movies and popular TV shows promise so much, deliver so little, and keep us in a passive role. And they're about people doing things: an ordinary kid becomes the greatest wizard the world has ever seen, people have wild love affairs, or wake up with amnesia and discover they're a black ops assassin. Even the supposedly dull and mediocre environment of The Office is crowded with incident, much more so than any office I've ever worked in.tj-riot2

Consider the natural energies running through the bodies of young men, age 16, 18, 19, 20. Testosterone. Self assertion. Will to power. Now stuff them in an impotence box. Tell them to stay there the rest of their lives.

Look at the faces of the Vancouver rioters. Glee. Exuberance. The impotent fan, finally given license (by themselves)(and the precedent of the situation)(and the shadow side of sports culture) to do something. Stoke that testosterone. Assert that self. Run wild with that power. Fuck impotence! Fuck the world that doesn't let us influence whether "we" win or lose! Fuck it all! Fuck you! Fuck everything! SMASH!!!

TJ is a Vancouver-based writer and performer.

 

Bruce Sanguin

I returned to Vancouver after leading a retreat in Edmonton.  I didn’t hear about the so-called “riot” until a couple of days later. We’re all ashamed, angry, and wanting the international community to know that the “true” Vancouver is represented, not by the hooligans, but by those who turned up the next day to clean up the mess and register their protest.

But from an evolutionary viewpoint, this violent impulse is embedded in every citizen of every city on this planet. It just takes the right conditions for it to be triggered, especially in young men.  The seventh game of the Stanley Cup finals creates just about the perfect conditions for a riot.

I realize that win or lose, there were young men who came with a plan and all the equipment necessary to wreak havoc.  But this doesn’t tell the whole story.

sedin-punchThink about it: tens of thousands of young men have watched their heroes, the Sedins, being mauled; players on both teams have been on the receiving end of potentially career ending hits; both sides have launched verbal grenades across the trenches via the media; the tension has been mounting with each successive game; they have been slashing each other with metal weapons; announcers declare that “these players are developing a real hatred for each other” — and that’s a good thing — it’s what makes for a good series. In other words, it’s been war.

But it’s been controlled war. They’ve been engaging each other within a confined space, with referees on the rink, and NHL supervisors watching from the skyboxes for when players step over the line. There are costly penalties meted out, and fines and suspensions for guys that don’t play nice. But when the war spills out into the streets, there is no confined arena, no rules of etiquette, a huge need to let off steam, and a virtual flood of hormones.

Our brains do not distinguish between actual war and controlled war in the form of ice hockey. The exact same hormones that prepare a soldier to fight in battle  get triggered in the 20 year-old men watching this staged war on TV. Add to this what theological anthropologist, Rene Girard, calls mimetic contagion, and you have the perfect recipe for mob violence. In other words, when staged violence doesn’t work to settle a mob, it becomes merely contagious. The crowd of young men, like the elite water polo player from an upper middle class family, begins to mimic those who came with an agenda of violence. This is why violence is the central problem of human existence in the Bible.  It’s contagious, and these ancient instincts are very close to the surface.

From a Spiral Dynamics perspective, the evolutionary journey back to Warrior consciousness takes about 1/16th of a second, thespiral dynamics time it takes for our amygdala, a small almond shaped gland in our brain associated with fear and aggression, to get triggered and release the hormones associated with the flight or fight response. Brain research indicates that the pre-frontal lobes, the part of our brain that helps us to realize that a world exists beyond our immediate feelings, and extends beyond our tribe, doesn’t mature until the age of about twenty-seven.

Even for those over the age of 27, our prefrontal lobes don’t kick in until after the amygdala gets fired off, and without a little training, it will get hijacked every time.

So, let’s see. You have the perfect Molotov cocktail; young men with a triggered amygdala, raging hormones, and under the influence, not only of alcohol, but also mimetic contagion, and who are not mature enough to manage these impulses. Ignite all of that with the match of their team being trounced and poof!

They act stupid, because they literally are stupid — that is, they are functioning from a part of their brain that is more reptilian than mammalian — let alone human.

No, this doesn’t let them off the hook. They are responsible for their behavior. But so are we.  I’m concerned about the self-righteous rhetoric coming from politicians and the NHL, and our beloved Rex Murphy. I mean, what did we expect? I suggest that it is because we don’t understand our own biochemistry and social instincts that we are so vitriolic in our cry for severe punishment. Rene Girard developed a very sophisticated theory of “scapegoating violence”, noting that for millennia we have sought out scapegoats to execute as a means of social control. We want to localize the problem in somebody, anybody — other than ourselves — and then eliminate the problem. The alternative is to face our collective complicity in creating the conditions for the outbreak of violence.

I’m with those who would rather see a kind of truth and reconciliation process for the young men who trashed our city. This is not letting them off the hook. At dinner last night, a friend thought that if they come forward and confess, they should receive a sentence of a couple thousand hours of community service. I like his idea.  They do need to realize that there are real consequences.

But let’s bring the mayor and the City Council to the table as well. And the hockey players. And ourselves, who sanction and secretly savour the violence on the ice.  And the NHL executives and owners, who know that fighting is good for the ratings. Let’s go deeper with this thing than identifying the culprits and sending them to prison, which is little more than a band-aid solution.

This is not about being “soft on crime”. It’s not about the postmodernist tendency to blame the system. It’s a call to be hard on violence, on ice and off, to understand deeply our evolutionary nature, and from that understanding ask ourselves some honest questions that center around our own willful ignorance and complicity.

Bruce is the minister at Canadian Memorial United Church, a leader in the Evolutionary Christianity movement, and the author of several books, most recently If Darwin Prayed.

 

Andrew Baxter

Idiots. Hooligans. Drunken louts.  Criminals. Anarchists (the use of this term bothers me a bit because I’m pretty sure that people with Molotov cocktails in their backpacks have probably never heard of, let alone read, Bakunin, Kropotkin or Goldman).Call them what you will, but while the rioters downtown were indeed all of those things, the riot itself was symptomatic of something far deeper and more profound in the psyche of this city, this province, and perhaps of the country as a whole. Hell, it’s probably symptomatic of the whole of Western Civilisation.

The condemnation is unanimous and wide-ranging. Everybody has been pontificating, wringing their hands, and calling for heads to roll. Everybody has an opinion, and they are, by and large, rote, without depth or nuance, and so totally predictable. Somebody I know actually proffered the opinion that they should have called in the army!My favourite, oh, and this is a goodie, is the dismissal of the rioters as not ‘true’ hockey fans, as not ‘real’ sports fans!! This strikes me as particularly dishonest and defensive. Of course they were Canucks fans, hockey fans, sports fans. But this so-called riot had little to do with the game that occurred earlier in the evening.

I’m going to offer a bit of an alternative – and perhaps more controversial – perspective. No doubt some will confuse my perspective with a celebration of what happened, an excusing or justification. I am doing nothing of the sort. I am simply describing. I think we need to get past that sort of superficial assessment and look a bit deeper.

 

I was there. I watched as a crowd broke every single window in the Bay, then lit fires up and down Granville Street. I stood by as riot police and snarling dogs pushed the crowd back down a local street. I felt the briefest sting of tear gas as canisters fell from the sky and landed at our feet.

Ice-T, in a recent interview, was asked if he thought talking about his past as a gangster and bank robber was tantamount to ‘glorifying’ his actions. His response was quite simply, “no”. It was fun he said. The adrenaline, the feeling of being alive, of living on an edge was in all actuality quite invigorating. He wasn’t glorifying bank robbing, he was just describing it. And it was fun.

andrew-riotAnd while I in no way participated in any of the violence or carnage that took place last Wednesday night on the downtown streets, I have to admit, it was all I could do to tear myself away from it. There was an energy, a feeling of liberation unrestrained, of being solely in the moment. Repercussions disappeared, and it was fun. Yes. There, I said it. There was a sort of carnivalesque feeling to the whole thing. And I can sympathise greatly with how easily it would have been to get caught up in the whole thing. How easily to have abandoned the civilised world for a brief journey through anarchy, through the dark world of our animal souls and into our human heart of darkness; how easily given over to the battle that was taking place. One of the most striking images for me was the smiles on the faces of those smashing windows, overturning cars, lighting dumpsters on fire. It was exhilarating.

But more than the fun, it was cathartic. Mindless destruction and the violence that accompanies it can’t be condoned on the basis of a hockey game, but merely dismissing the entire experience of the playoffs and parties and the letting loose that accompanied the ride as ‘unreal’, as just a ‘game’ and not worth getting all worked up about misses a fundamental component of the human, and especially social, experience. It was our carnival, our yearly unloosening, our celebration of our baser emotions, an homage to our reptilian brain.

This was, however,  far from mindless. This was perpetrated by young men (and women it should be noted...but yes, mostly men) with little identity over and above their fandom, with little in common with each other or the society at large, who’ve never been initiated into and so live outside of this society, young men with a whole lot of anger. This anger can take many forms, and the other night it took the form of reverence, of joyful exuberance in the sheer act of destruction. No, this was far from mindless.

We live in a society with no ritual. We are the inhabitants of ... in Camus’ La Peste, each of us struggling to find meaning in a seemingly meaningless world. We are mostly powerless, faithless, leaderless and so we become disaffected, we cease – if we had ever been in the first place – to belong. We are angry and have no outlet, no target for that anger. And so we wallow, and every once in a while, we ignite.

More simply put, we’re bored.

And when all is said and done, I have no doubt that we will again fail to ask the right questions. Instead of asking why it was that a small group of rioters could have turned what was supposed to be a celebration into an inferno, how was it that such a thing could have spread so quickly, we’ll content ourselves with asking how we can better have better dealt it once it began. How could we RE-act better?

Andrew is completing his Masters in Urban Studies.

 

Scott Payne

Boom, crush. Night, losers. Winning, duh.

Thursday morning of this past week saw a lot of disparaging comments about Vancouver on Twitter. Some of those comments generally lamented the course of events, many were simply scornful and accusatory, and still others sought to understand the riots 140 characters at a time.

One comment that stuck out for me noted that in Greece riots take place over public sector cuts and IMF imposed budgetary measures, whereas in Canada we riot over hockey games. But I wouldn't be so sure about that statement. While the two seem like they're worlds apart, they may have more in common than we think.

The last time Vancouver saw this kind of activity was after its 1994 cup run. But the intensity and ferocity of this year's riots seem to outpace past transgressions. Naturally a great many things have changed in the intervening 17 years. But one of the major events of recent memory was the massive financial melt down of 2008.scott-riot

The impacts of that event have been ubiquitous and the resulting fragility remains with us three years on as events in Greece threaten to plunge us into a similar crisis. Here in Canada though, the story we keep telling about those events has been largely rosy. The recession certainly took a toll on Canada's economy, but over and over again the narrative we keep repeating is that as a country we escaped the worst of the bottoming out.

The thrust of that narrative is not untrue, particularly if you're like my family and work with a combined income of more than $100K a year. Those of us in a relatively well-off position have definitely fared the past three years not so badly.

The problem with that truth, however, is that not everyone in this country exists in that kind of financial prosperity. Indeed, the average Canadian income for unattached individuals currently sits at $31,500.

So while the broad experience of the country might have been relatively strong, there are many individuals who have struggled a great deal.

And even those of us who have done reasonably well have experienced a wake up call on the stability and sustainability of our previously unusable assumptions around prosperity. We can no longer assume to operate on auto-pilot and assume that the "American Dream" will take care of itself and us.

That realization has brought with it no small amount of anxiety, especially where the immediate impacts have pressed against one's capacity for self-sufficiency. Yet, our almost obsessive insistence about how well we've managed has left us with little room to address and deal with that anxiety. And anxiety left unacknowledged has a way of bubbling to the surface, often in less than healthy manifestations.

Does this explain the entirety of the riots? Of course not. In fact, it is likely next to impossible to definitively determine a single cause or reason for what transpired after Game 7. But to write those actions off as simply the stupidity of amped up hockey fans seems equally if not more ridiculous.

Beneath the seeming jubilation of the Canucks' success has been an undercurrent that was palpable to me even in the brief amount of time I've spent in the city over the past few months. It was an undercurrent of anxiety, fear, and at it's deepest and darkest, anger. And that darkness was on display as a sporting event turned into melee that garnered world attention.

None of which is intended to justify or excuse the actions of the rioters. As a former Vancouverite, I am deeply saddened and disturbed by the destruction that took place in my hometown. But if there is a silver lining to becoming a “loser city”, it is in finally acknowledging out our distress and affording ourselves the opportunity to address the fears and challenges that face us moving forward.

 Scott is a social media consultant and involved at multiple levels in Provincial politics.

 

Trevor Malkinson

“God save the Queen, the fascist regime, they made you a moron, potential H-bomb”- Sex Pistols

When the seventh game ended we were sad, but also a little relieved. It’d been a long two months and it was finally over. Then CBC television cut to an image of a burning car. Oh fuck, it’s happening. I was actually quite surprised; I just didn’t think it would. So fellow Beams writer Andrew and I collected our supplies, including drums we’d brought for a celebration party, and we headed into the downtown core only a few blocks away. We tried to drum and clamor and invoke a positive atmosphere, but it was quickly apparent that we weren’t going to turn around the ugly spirit that was blanketing the downtown with its surreal other worldliness, tear gas and all.

That evening I followed the riots, staying just about 30 yards back from the major pockets of action, banging a little on my drum and observing. It’s one thing to read about groups and group psychology in the texts of Freud, Eric Hoffer and others, and it’s another thing to observe it first hand. That evening, as sad and idiotic as it was, was a sociological and philosophical goldmine.

One thing I learned about was the ambiguity of anarchy. I had a strange, loud and unusual dialogue going on in my head. On the one hand, it was illuminating and exhilarating to see the social order simply dissolve, to see the regular systemsmore-egypt-revolution5 of social control be tossed off. There’s an immense (r)evolutionary power in that, and the events of the ‘Arab Spring’ have shown us how powerful and history making this kind of energy can be. I took the opportunity to keep yelling at people that this was “only practice for when we throw off the bankers and corporate oligarchy that control all the wealth and rule our lives!” I got a bunch of amused smiles and sideways glances, but mainly people just ignored me, too focused on getting to where the havoc was happening.

And it was this other crude, barbaric side of the anarchic outburst that brought out another, somewhat unfamiliar voice in my head- the aristocratic elitist! I heard myself saying out loud, “Where’s the rubber bullets and the water canons. These people are f’in idiots, they should be crushed by riot police!” Andrew had to tell me to stop saying this lest I get my ass kicked. But I couldn’t believe the sheer base, stupidity of the crowd. Noam Chomsky is fond of quoting passages by James Madison and other founding fathers of the United States, where they write openly about never letting the masses get too much control. From one angle, this can be seen as the true face of a power elite rioterthat rules over a society in which democracy is only an allusion; from another angle, this sounds like a bloody good idea! That night I truly understood the concept of the rabble, the hoi polloi, the riff raff, the motley mob of the average and unevolved. Nietzsche showered the rabble with scorn in his works, and it was not hard to see why on the Vancouver streets that night. The good, the true and the beautiful were in desperately short supply. No, this night was dominated by the grim energies of Thanatos, or ‘the death drive’.

Freud thought he discovered two fundamental energies that were the twin drives of both human beings and the cosmos as a whole. One he termed Eros- the movement toward higher and higher units of integration and co-operation; and the other Thanatos- the drive toward disintegration, destruction, and death. But what Freud recognized was that Eros is actually the energy of Thanatos redirected upwards toward creative evolution and the building of civilization. But if that great pool of cosmic energy in our bellies sits stagnant, if it has nowhere to go, it will come out, iGreed_by_Liolt will erupt one way or another, and more often than not it’s going to be in the savage and unsettling forms that Thanatos takes.

We must look into the societal context within which the riot happened. We live in a society in which passive consumption is the goal of life, a post-God eddy of nihilism as Nietzsche predicted. The most powerful nation in the world, and many of its allies, has been involved in brutal wars for twenty years. The leaders of many Western nations- from Bush and Cheney, to Stephen Harper- act like arrogant bullies, above the law. Greed and corruption in the government and corporate sectors is rife in an era of economic deregulation. Narcissism and infantilism are rampant, and stupidity and Jackass culture is encouraged. Global warming and environmental degradation loom, but national leaders lack any vision to move toward new ways of being, instead perpetuating the corrupt and decaying social order around us. As Johnny Rotten once snarled- “nooooo future, nooooo future, nooooo future for you!”.

We must be careful, as this is a cauldron primed for eruptions of a vicious and ugly Thanatos. Those of us who want and see a different future, who feel a kind of erotic evolutionary urgency in our bellies, must speak our Word and take action, offering living examples of an Eros that’s striving toward a new Earth and a new future. The Promised Land still awaits our enactment, and those young men and women who took part in the riot could still be some of its greatest progenitors if we help lead the way.

Trevor Malkinson is a graduate philosophy major and is attending Vancouver School of Theology to be a Christian minister.

 

 Juma Wood

Vancouver, a haven for idealism, progressive drug culture, and New Age spirituality, is awash with disenfranchised youth. Not anarchists as the narrative would have you believe. The perpetrators were in the thousands, not the hundreds. They were fifteen, sixteen, nineteen, twenty, not some focused and organized terrorist group. They were from the city and the suburbs; they were mostly men but were cheered on by young women. They were angry, destructive and reckless. 

Why?

We are living in a time of deep emptiness at the soul’s core. Vancouver is not Egypt, rising up against overt tyranny. And though there's a fundamental corruption in our economic apparatus as demonstrated by the global financial crises, there were no kids so far as I’ve heard screaming ‘down with the HST’ as they were pile driving a police cruiser.

meaninglessNo, this emptiness is not political in nature, nor is it nihilistic in the way the events of the Holocaust left a God-sized hole in the human psyche. It’s also not merely an extension of the modern age. This emptiness is not a hole, it’s a yearning, for something more than what is being offered up in contemporary culture.

And what replaces it is the shallowness of blockbuster movies; the indifference of leisure sports culture; porn.

If this emptiness had a shape, it would be poised, ready to leap. This young generation is unique in their requirement to marry purpose with action. They don’t work; they live. Hopefully for something greater than themselves.

But they’ve been raised badly. Self-centred, celebrated for breathing rather than doing. It’s a culture of constant (not just instant) gratification. To no end. No depth. No pathway to a promise they intuit in their bones. The culture is hollow. The Vancouver riot was merely a demonstrative event reflecting the quiet riot in the soul of this age.

Juma is a Vancouver-based consultant working with organizational leadership and change issues.

 

 Bergen Vermette

Although I was born and raised in Vancouver I was not in the city for the Stanley Cup finals in 2011. As hard as it was to pull myself away for an internship on the East Coast (knowing that the Canucks were headed to the finals), my predicament was made better by the fact that I would be headed to Massachusetts, just outside Boston, home of our rivals the Boston Bruins.

Watching the games in Massachusetts was pretty uneventful. Local fans were kind and courteous, and although they served-up the usual ribbing of opposing sports fans, I think that just about every single one of them told me they ‘knew’ Vancouver was the better team, and they were just happy to be watching great hockey. Like myself, none of these Boston fans suspected that the Bruins would pull off a huge upset and take the Cup home in 7-games.

As you’ve no doubt already gathered from the other perspectives in this essay, the loss kicked-off the biggest riots Vancouver has seen since, well, the last time we lost Game-7 back in ‘94. Call us suckers for a tradition… And yet, there was something quite different about this riot. Rather, what was different is what happened afterward.

First some context. In winter February 2010, Vancouver hosted the winter Olympic games. That event changed the city in many ways, one of which was the city’s willingness to take to the streets and party in good-natured fun and civic spirit. Throughout the Olympics unprecedented large crowds gathered in the streets, and grew larger each day. Everything was peaceful and good-natured. The city supported the movement by setting up outdoor big-screens and creating a new friendlier police policy that used positive reinforcement rather than brute crackdowns. The result was a tremendous street party on the final day of the Olympics when Team Canada won the Hockey Gold Medal. Everyone was in good spirits, strangers were high-fiving one another, and Vancouver seemed like a new city that had come out of its once conservative shell.

With this bit of context in mind, I was pretty shocked by the riots after the Stanley Cup final. What happened to this good spirit? How did we all descend into chaos?

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Some of the other writers on this article have shown that the riots were caused by more than just a few bad apples – that hundreds of people were involved. What I find just as interesting, however, is the civic response of hundreds of other people who acted to counter the poor spirit of the rioters and who have since attempted to make amends for the actions of a Cro-Magnon few.

A poll of Facebook on the morning following the riots illustrates the distaste felt by many Vancouverites:

Alexander B. Okay, I just saw pictures of what happened after I left. What a bunch of jackasses. I'm with you on the nightsticks bonking in the head now.

Joe P. I'm so embarrassed. 

Barry K. sooooooo sad, this must be a day where you wish to not have a view [of the city].

Frank L. How embarrassing! So sad that some Vancouverite's have NO class or respect! Come on people ... The world is watching!!

Monica M. This is sad!!

Chris D. has to go into the church tomorrow at 7 am. I'm hoping it's not burnt or massively vandalized. Truly awful.

Jeff M. Losing a hockey game doesn't make you a loser. Getting really drunk and setting a car on fire does.

Payton N. Anyone whose ever actually played hockey before knows that you leave it on the ice.

Tom K. ill be straight..... i laughed when i saw the first car go on fire and then stopped as it escalated ..... not as funny seeing on the news the kid with the clover dale shirt popping his collar ..... its hurt when u find out its a bunch of B&T people causing the bedlam......not a good look

Astrid A. oh Vancover, couldnt you have used that rioting for a good cause and not a hockey game? What zombies. Getting taken over by a majority conservative government is so much more devastating than this. Wake up!

Heather O. People riot in the streets to protest dictatorships and corrupt governments.... people riot in the streets to speak up against human right injustices... tonight, Vancouver "hockey fans" rioted in the streets because a bunch of guys couldn't get a black puck in the net and lost a GAME.... shame on all of you.

Kion T. -Society of the Spectacle-

Morgan B. Now it will be easier for me to explain why I left the so called "most liveable city"... No class!!!

Jason O. the slogan is "we are all Canucks" I wish I wasn't right now and I'm sure the actual Canucks wish they weren't either.

Rochelle B. Truly Pathetic Vancouver.

Kei K. Ugly. Embarrassing.

Rochelle B. can't sleep because of all this awfulness... Need to keep reminding myself that the majority of people are as disgusted as me! :-(

Kelsey N. I think if I was a Canuck, as in one of Vancouver's beloved hockey heroes, I would be pretty ashamed by my fans right now and not all that keen to represent the city next time around. Vancouver doesn't deserve the cup!

Chandra Y. Dear douchebags, kicking & lighting cars on fire, fighting & looting is maybe not the brightest idea you've had, particularly when it’s all caught on film. But I have a feeling that you make bad decisions on the regular and that by now your family is used to the idea of having an embarrassing Dbag for a son. Grow up.Untitled2

Almost immediately, members of the public set-up social media sites to try to organize clean-up parties. Even my sixteen-year old sister went downtown the next day to help clean up the mess (!). Vancouverites began sending the police department flowers and food in a show of support. Others expressed themselves through notes on police cars or on the boarded-up windows of smashed shops.

Facebook organizers spelled out what volunteers should bring: gloves, garbage bags, friends, and Canucks spirit. Here’s some pictures of some volunteers the morning after, click here.

Chris D. Kudos to the city and all the volunteers. cleanup2They've really done a great job cleaning up the downtown. The vibe on the street is much more upbeat than it was this morning.

Alexander B. Still the "nicest" city in the world. I mean, come on, how many other rioters clean up after themselves? I've been in three riots, Prague when the Wall fell, race-riot in southern Egypt when I was a teen, Nepal when the king was killed, and I never saw rioters who cleaned up after themselves. Or cops as kind and gentle as the ones last night. Almost too kind and gentle.

Duane F. Wow. I am sure there will not be half the publicity given to the people who stood in the way of looters.

As the last comment says, some people actually stood up to the crowd, click here, and here.

And watch the video below for a pretty intense scene of what was happening on the ground as people tried to stop the madness.


                                  

Since the riot people have even begun turning in their fellow citizens to the police in a showing of supreme intolerance of shitty public behaviour. Normally, this sort of thing would remind me of the Chinese Communist Party – turning in your neighbours to the state has a long and scary history. But in this case I’m all for it. I’ve long advocated the public shaming of individuals who commit small crimes that disrupt city life such as graffiti, vandalism, or petty theft. Bring back the stockade I say! – a bit of pelting with rotten fruit is sure to leave a lasting reminder.

If any good can come from this, it’s knowing that there are people in our community that care enough about it to actually get out of the house and try to fix a mess. And it’s an interesting case study on the divergent values within a society. A city is not a homogenous entity with a single citizenry – it’s a pulsing organism that reflects the many facets of its residents; both the good and the ugly.

Bergen is completing his undergraduate studies in International Relations.

 

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  • Comment Link Model Citizen Wednesday, 22 June 2011 00:09 posted by Model Citizen

    Thanks for the perspectives, Beams and Strutters. I've got a question rather than a developed perspective to add to the mix -- why did some people join in the rioting while others didn't?

    I've heard some remarks on the rioters' behaviour that go more or less like "there but for the grace of God go I". Personally, I think "there but for the grace of my brain go I" is more appropriate in this case. I admit that's a bit facile, since the rioters also have brains, but I think I might be on to something. (One might also add that it's a bit convenient for me to say so all this, since I was not in downtown Vancouver that night.) But anyway, I think it's an important question: why were some people swept up into the giddy euphoria of smashing objects and humans, while others were not? (For example, consider the two subjects of the following articles, the second of whom is shown in the video clip in Bergen's perspective above:
    http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/VIDEO+Teenage+hero+risked+neck+save+from+Vancouver+riot/4981445/story.html
    http://www.theprovince.com/news/hero+among+rotten+rioting+pack/4967422/story.html )

    I could say more, but I'm more interested to hear what others might have to say on this.

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Wednesday, 22 June 2011 11:16 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    Once again, kudos to B&S for opening an important discussion. Also thank you "Model Citizen" for the links, which helped me get closer to the actual experience. I want to look at this statement:

    "Consider the natural energies running through the bodies of young men, age 16, 18, 19, 20. Testosterone. Self assertion. Will to power. Now stuff them in an impotence box. Tell them to stay there the rest of their lives."

    I think it is useful to look at this situation from an energy point of view and to make the distinction between subjugating energy, sublimating, and transmuting. You take that energy and put it in a box, under a thumb, and that's subjugation. You take that energy and transfer it to something else ( a career, a hobby, a sport) and that's sublimating, which might solve the problem for as long as it takes for that youthful energy to be lost)... or you can learn to transmute that energy, which means in one sense to rid it of its affective content (fear, hate, frustration, anger, will-to-power, will-to-purge) -- which are all types of contractions -- and then work with the core energy as a real asset. So that is one point I agree with -- you put all that energy into a container and it has consequences.

    On the other hand, I think this

    "There's a horrible impotence at the root of most of our lives, multiplied by how little control we have over what we spend our time doing. It's a given our jobs won't fulfill us. The government won't do what we want. The tiniest minority gets rich and powerful. The internet offers some good stuff, but mostly provides empty addictive diversion. Summer movies and popular TV shows promise so much, deliver so little, and keep us in a passive role. And they're about people doing things: an ordinary kid becomes the greatest wizard the world has ever seen, people have wild love affairs, or wake up with amnesia and discover they're a black ops assassin. Even the supposedly dull and mediocre environment of The Office is crowded with incident, much more so than any office I've ever worked in."

    is a dangerous narrative. It assigns responsibility somewhere else, over there, to them -- they that did this to me. I don't think this is how it works. I think this narrative is part of the identification of the slave with the master -- that "they" have control over me. You buy into that, you've put a container over your core energy. No one else can do that. Watch TV a hundred hours a week -- there's a nail in the lid. A hundred choices a day -- either you are nailing down the lid, or removing nails. You get to choose. You are always choosing.

    "Make the wrong thing hard and the right thing easy" -- something a horse trainer once told me. Society writ large (the "they") often does the opposite, because the capitalist system harnesses "easy energy" or "energy for free" for profit. So there is work to be done on the side of society, too, but unless individuals (the masters as well as the slaves) de-couple their identification with the spoils of the way the system works (I like to mindlessly watch or I like to make lots of money promoting mindless stuff) -- then they are choosing the container, the lid, and the nails, over and over again.

    Gratitude to those in the video who choose to act with authenticity & bravery. The others are just part of the system, looked at from another angle.

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Wednesday, 22 June 2011 11:23 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    BTW,

    "The others are just part of the system, looked at from another angle."

    This is why they don't have a critique to offer ...

    and should not be confused with civil disobedience/unrest across various ranges of "violence"....

  • Comment Link Scott Payne Wednesday, 22 June 2011 20:02 posted by Scott Payne

    Model Citizen, this is a great question. In fact, it is ~the~ question.

    From my perspective, or at least the perspective I presented in this piece, I would suggest that those who felt compelled to participate were those who were in the greatest need of catharsis due to the pervasive anxiety towards which I pointed.

    I present a sort of class analysis in my little snippet, but was also trying to give a larger out, as well. Which is to say that I don't think this boils down to a simple class analysis. The riots weren't simply a poor against rich dynamic. The rioters were not all individuals from the lower class. Not by any means.

    The suggestion of anger, anxiety, and catharsis I proposed is a lot more deep seated than that to which a simple class analysis provides us access. One needn't simply be from a lower income to feel that anxiety because the dynamics that cultivated it stretch much further, to a structural level that has up-ended our comfortable and commonly held notions about how our lives are supposed to unfold, at least economically and socially speaking.

    So to sort of tie in Bonnitta's ripe offering with your question and my particular analysis, I would offer that those who exhibited a greater disposition towards participation were those that were energetically closer to that feeling of anxiety and impotence and; therefore, in greater and more desperate need of the catharsis these riots provided.

    Why those people were in greater proximity to that anxiety is a questions I can't honestly answer. There are too many variables at play.

    But it doesn't appear from my vantage that the decision to participate was a conscious or rational one (though Bonnitta is right, it is still a decision). It was reptilian; ugly in the way that Trevor so adeptly described. Thanatos, that energy and spirit that is bent on tearing down -- in this case a system and way of life that has been revealed as empty and bereft.

    At least that's my take.

  • Comment Link Trevor Malkinson Wednesday, 22 June 2011 22:00 posted by Trevor Malkinson

    Model Citizen, yes, thanks for the question, it is a great one, I had an enjoyable time mulling it over last night. I have a couple points to make on why some would join in the riots and why others wouldn't.

    Firstly, from a personal point of view, I didn't join in. Why not? For myself, I just felt the outburst and mayhem was meaningless, pointless. I guess I'm too old now to think that destruction for its own sake is cool or fun. But when I was a teen Halloween nights used to be full of all kinds of mischief, and there was few things as much fun as scattering and running from the cops at high speed, then gathering later to tell your story of escape to the gang. So I remember when that sort of thing was fun, and for a lot of the young men there, this might've been a motivator.

    I'm all for civil disobedience, and given certain circumstances, I'd support destruction for the sake of throwing off tyranny or something of the like. But as I said, this evening felt juvenile and undirected, and I wasn't going to give my consent to that. I agree strongly with Andrew that our culture lacks ritual, collective celebration and carnival. This is a problem. Thinkers from Carl Jung to Mikhail Bakhtin have written on the importance of these kind of activities for the health of the collective psyche. I was just bummed when watching the riots that this kind of outburst was going to nullify some of the steps we'd made towards that end during the Olympics. We'd learned to gather in mass numbers, drinking and carrying on, with people doing spontaneous street theater and playing music etc. It was a celebration, and lots of steam was let off. Bakhtin writes that carnival is a period of "licensed mayhem". But the mayhem he's speaking about is not the sort of violent and destructive kind we saw that night in Vancouver. I didn't join in basically because I thought the form of outburst was stupid, ugly and heading in exactly the wrong cultural direction.

    Mind you, I didn't step in to stop it either. But to be quite honest, the atmosphere was pretty ugly and there were swarms of men in semi-crazed mode, and it was quite clear to me that it wouldn't take much to get gang-beat in a situation like that, as several people did (one suffered a punctured lung). I say bravo to those who did step in, but I say you gotta pick your moments of martyrdom. A bunch of broken department store windows, burnt cars and stolen Louis Vuitton bags isn't the end of the world. Now, if they'd tried to burn down the art gallery, then I might've had a different response!:) But these are tough moral questions with no easier answers, and lots of slippery slopes to careful of for sure.

    The other thing I'd point to in terms of your question is Bruce's mention of 'mimetic contagion'. I think this is very real and a significant insight on the part of Rene Girard. You're probably familiar with that work, but if you or any others want to get a deeper understanding of that concept, Girard himself was interviewed on the subject on the podcast Entitled Opinions. It's Episode 74.

    http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/entitled-opinions-about-life/id81415836

    Bonnitta, I love your emphasis/reminder about choosing and the ever-presence of choice. I felt this powerful feeling of liberation when reading your words. But I have a question for you- do think there are (earlier) stages of our development where choosing not to respond to the pack mentality is harder? Several of the developmental psychologists write about 'the conformist' stage and things like this. And Bruce adds some data from an evolutionary perspective. Can we do things, like meditative practice, to improve our ability to choose freely in that way? Does are ability to choose develop?

    As a fellow philosopher you probably recall the famous Chariot Allegory in Plato, where he writes- "First the charioteer of the human soul drives a pair [of horses], and secondly one of the horses is noble and of noble breed, but the other quite the opposite in breed and character. Therefore in our case the driving is necessarily difficult and troublesome". (Phaedrus) The bad horse is meant to represent our appetites, our passions, basically what Freud called the Id. And Plato was trying to both point out that this part ourselves exists, and that we can overcome its control if we learn to. But I guess my point is that it seems like we've struggled with this unruly dimension of ourselves in our evolutionary journey, and we've had to learn over time how to gain the power and the freedom to make choices that don't succumb to our lowest impulses. In this way, it doesn't seem that choice is necessarily a pre-given for the human animal.

    At any rate, just some inquiry there for you around the important topic of choice. Thanks for your rich and stimulating contributions as usual.

  • Comment Link Wild Oscar Thursday, 23 June 2011 00:26 posted by Wild Oscar

    I have mulled over for days the events of last Wednesday night, trying to understand why there are "berserkers and vandals" who feel free to impose themselves without reserve upon the best or the rest of us. First I found John Vaillants article as the one that helped my mulling. And now I chanced onto the reflections of some pretty rich thoughts in Beams and Struts. I basically agree with John Vaillant's observations, although his tone comes across as flippant at times. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/vancouvers-mayhem-was-more-about-mindlessly-filling-a-void-than-passion/article2066348/



    As a society I think we will continue to suffer from the lack of a moral compass in the hearts of so many young males. Does this relate to what Juma has written? Does anyone teach right and wrong to this generation? At the end of game 6, young Marchand of the Bruins punched one of the Sedins half a dozen times, to which he neither defended himself nor retaliated. When ask why he had punched him , his response was that he felt like it. And that foreshadowed, my explanation of why they caused havoc and destruction in the streets.

    Although Bruce's introducing me to Girard's mimetic contagion, definitely helps me. As well as his reminder that the brain in not yet fully hooked up for so many participated as berserkers gives me another way of coming to grips with the destructive behaviors

    And I agree with John that the response of the Vancouver area people on Thursday and in the days following has been incredibly generous. Out of a bad situation much good has come.

    I have not been a hockey fan for years, but my heart was won over by stories that I heard on the radio before falling asleep. And I read some excellent sports columnists. These related the commitment of so many players to put the team first by taking lesser salaries than they would have received by leaving the team, and by exercising the self discipline to put a lid on the rawer side of their game. So I came back to watch the playoffs and discovered that under the intense Boston physical onslaught, my new heroes reverted to the ways of their former selves, i.e.undisciplined professional athletes.

    The reality that many of the rioting fans did not get is: there are two possible outcomes to the final games. Win or lose. I think they did not get it. Assuming the smug stance of one so wise, I knew that I had much good in my life even if the Canucks lost.

    And now I have so much more in the writings that I have found here.

  • Comment Link David Thursday, 23 June 2011 21:22 posted by David

    Nice perspectives, everyone.

    One thing that comes to mind is that every city is going to comprise a wide variety of people; that is, people at all sorts of different developmental levels, different psychographs. Even though Vancouver surely has as high a center of gravity (COG) as any city in the world, there will be plenty of people below that COG across many different lines.

    So while I was as surprised as anyone at first, on second thought there isn't much reason to be surprised. In any city, we will find people below the average level of development, with some way below the average. In unusual circumstances, they might make themselves known.

    But I wonder about another thing: whether some of these rioters were not exactly that much less developed than the average but just less stably at modern or postmodern levels. It seems likely that many people will test at, say, modern or postmodern levels (of cognition, moral, values, emotional, psychosexual, etc.), but then with a little pressure in any of the quadrants, or release of controls, easily slip.

    Think Lord of the Flies or more extreme, real-world events like the Mai Lai Massacre--examine almost any warzone, and you will find events like that. I also recall an interesting show by Derren Brown in which he persuaded a few otherwise law-abiding citizens to rob a bank (a great show):

    http://vimeo.com/1677179

    The Stanford Prison Experiment is another example:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKW_MzREPp4

    But why a sporting event? Why do sporting events inspire these riots? Riots are not uncommon at all after sporting events. There have been riots after sporting events in Chicago, Los Angeles, Montreal, Detroit, Boston, New York, Denver, San Francisco. And we've all heard of riots after football games in Europe, or referees getting pummeled after games in various parts of the world.

    Do sporting events encourage identification with tribal/egocentric or ethnocentric/nationalistic drives? It seems that competition between cities or countries will do that. We're all worldcentric here, but we tend to cheer for the home team at the Olympics, right? Isn't that a regression, in some sense? I am certainly not above it. In fact, I still haven't gotten over that overtime goal in Vancouver!!!! :) (However, as a lifelong Blackhawks fan, I must say the Stanley Cup win was some compensation. :) )

    What does watching these sports do for us? Does it help us resolve emotional conflicts, repressed emotions, developmental disappointments, or is it merely recreation? I think, judging by the response of the rioters, it is more than just recreation for some; they seem to have been looking toward the game to improve their mood or perhaps self-esteem.

    Of course, some may have recently taken a hit in one of the other quadrants, as well; they may have lost a job or a girlfriend. I think we might also put this in the context of the runaway greed and imbalance in the current economic situation, along with a generalized anxiety about the future for various reasons.

    In any case, I think stability at various developmental levels/lines would be an interesting thing to study, assuming some of the rioters generally manage a modern or postmodern ethic. I think we probably tend to assume that sort of ethic is more stable than it is, but the more recent an emergence, the less stable it will be, the shallower the kosmic groove.

    For many, a modern or postmodern sensibility is their very highest occasion, the best they can do, so with any added pressure around the four quadrants (including the effects of alcohol), those attainments would be the first to go. But I think we have to look at different lines, as well.

    Okay, just a few thoughts . . .

  • Comment Link David Marshall Saturday, 25 June 2011 20:44 posted by David Marshall

    T. J., thanks for bringing up Rene Girard. I hadn't heard about him before, but I did a little research and find his work really relevant and interesting. I found one blog that gives a pretty nice introduction, relating it to John 8:7 at one point:

    http://www.confessingevangelical.com/?p=2818

    Trevor, thanks for the link to the podcast; I will check that out.

    I think memetic contagion is a really interesting concept, not just in terms of understanding situations like this, but also in terms of understanding ourselves, particularly with regard to spiritual practice and spiritual orientation.

    When one person acts in a certain way, it becomes that much easier for another person to act in the same way. If one person says that a behavior is okay, another might well agree, and then another and another . . . That seems to be the way riots unfold.

    Girard may emphasize the LL a little too much (I am not sure, having only dipped into his work a little); I would just add that most of the desires we are talking about, particularly with regard to rioting, are latent drives within people already (structures that have already been built)and that a more evolved memetic contagion (modernism, postmodernism) has put those latent drives on ice for awhile. When people in a riot start saying, "No, it's okay to break shop windows; it's okay to hit people on the head for no reason," these primitive desires can easily come out, as T. J. said.

    Trevor at one point noted that it was a prime situation for a "gang-beat," and I think he was intuiting the same thing: if one person started beating, others might well think it is perfectly okay to beat someone up for no reason, despite all that they've been taught. This happened at least once in the riots, as I'm sure you've seen, to this poor guy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7dcgcdWVBI

    I think we can also see Girard's "single-victim mechanism" at work there.

    I'm with Bergen, Trevor, and others when they say they applaud these guys who stepped forward to stop the rioting; they are admirable. At the same time, I think Trevor's right that we really have to pick our times for martyrdom--a shop window or someone's pickup truck is not worth getting your head broken open for. I think we'd probably all agree on that.

    I notice memetic contagion a lot when it comes to crossing streets when you're not supposed to. If someone starts walking when the sign flashes "Don't Walk," others usually follow, and I know I will probably feel an impulse to follow as well. Occasionally I do; occasionally I am the only one left standing on the curb.

    In Seattle, where I lived for a few years, you get dirty looks for jaywalking; in Chicago, people look at you funny if you don't cross the street when no cars are coming, regardless of what the sign says.

    In any case, I think memetic contagion is an important thing to keep in mind with regard to spiritual practice and worldview. Go to a party with a lot of very materialistic-oriented people, especially if they have a lot of things, and see if you are just as spiritually oriented when you leave as you were when you arrived. It can be a challenge to maintain a particular view when everyone is thinking in a different way and desiring other things.

    I think it's especially worthy of contemplation when we consider how nihilistic and atheistic modern and postmodern culture can be, even in spiritual, state-training circles. It can take a lot of discipline to maintain one's highest view, doesn't it, and stay with a relatively small sangha or relatively weak memetic contagion.

    If one is interested in ideas about the soul, for example, like the ones Chris has written about, it requires one brushing off an awful lot of memetic contagion and staying one-pointed about the ideas of a very few. The fewer people there are holding a particular worldview (the shallower the kosmic groove), the more difficult it will be to hold that view. I find that worth contemplating a lot myself.

    Back to the riots, it would seem that city planners need to keep in mind the least evolved people in society. Could a riot like this unfold in law-and-order Singapore, even though the COG in Vancouver is surely much higher? I think integral consciousness is really what is needed here and that postmodern sensitivies are probably part of what made this riot possible.

    A riot like it unfolded during Mardi Gras when I was living in Seattle even though there were dozens of police standing by in riot gear--the police refused to engage because they didn't want to get violent, and one young man died. Many others were beaten; there was footage of a young woman getting beaten up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Mardi_Gras_Riots

    Also, the WTO riots in Seattle in 2000--that memetic contagion was started in large part by a small group of anarchists from Eugene, Oregon:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization_Ministerial_Conference_of_1999_protest_activity#Corporations_targeted

    When we are speaking about awakening these latent drives, it probably doesn't take too many people to get things started. Maybe one particularly unstable person breaking a shop window or starting a fire is all it takes to get it going.

    With newly emerging phenomena, however, it's much more difficult to start any memetic contagion because the structures don't exist yet. People might recognize or intuit a potential, but it takes years to build those structures.

    Well, I've probably written enough; I will stop here.

  • Comment Link Trevor Malkinson Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:30 posted by Trevor Malkinson

    Wild Oscar, thanks for the link to the Vaillant article, and I'm glad you found some value in the piece here. What I appreciate about your comments and about the Vaillant article, is the continued reflection about the game of hockey and its violent nature. Bruce brought that up in his piece, but I think our reflection on our game (for those of us who are fans) is still lacking when it comes to the riots and the aftermath analysis I see out there (and here). It is of course only a dimension of the riots and what may or not have contributed to them, but there needs to be more honest reflection around it I think. Bruce Sanguin published his entry at his site too, and this is what Bruce had to say in the comment section there:

    "It’s interesting to listen to NHL enforcers, who are paid to fight (like George Laroque), talk about how much they hated what they did. He knew that he was a role model. He’s actually a pretty sensitive, funny guy. We’re so embedded in hockey as a culture – it’s a core identity – that we cannot develop a witnessing consciousness toward it, and see what’s going on". http://ifdarwinprayed.com/

    Vaillant writes this paragraph in his article:

    "The fact remains that there are those among us who, to quote one of them, just like to bust stuff up. So they did. Both vandals and berserkers maintain a place in the spectrum of society; judging from what I saw over the last seven games, the NHL tacitly rewards the latter, and many fans crave to see them in action. To ignore the fact that the game of hockey appeals to and enflames an impulse toward entropy is to ignore an elephant in the living room. I know this from the feeling in my own guts, and from watching my children’s faces. Call it NASCAR on ice, but you’re lying if you’re not secretly hoping to see a good crash. I was at Daytona when, after a 20-car eruption of steel and rubber, the young man next to me, said, verbatim, “Now I’ve been de- de- de-virgin-ized!” Hockey’s not so different: when else are you going to hear a gentleman and devoted father growling, “Hit him! Hit him!’ in front of his own daughter? Outside of professional wrestling, hockey is the most violent, rabble-rousing spectacle on TV. Boxing is tame by comparison – at least it has consistent rules."

    I must admit that I myself had a protective reaction when people first started talking about looking into the violence of the game. I think I'll take the time to try and find some 'witnessing consciousness' around it as Bruce suggests.

    David, wow, thanks for the comments and all the usual rich reflections. I loved how you turned the concept of mimetic contagion around, and started to look at how it can be used positively in the collective too (and also how difficult it can be to be a leader). And I think you're spot on when it comes to spiritually and creating cultural grooves. Here's something that Andrew Cohen wrote recently, which I thought was really great, and it relates quite closely to what you are saying so I thought I'd share it here:

    Spirituality in Public

    "If you begin to evolve spiritually, at a certain point you awaken to a moral imperative. You discover an inner compulsion to live for a higher purpose and to actually to do it in public. This is quite a radical stance to take in the midst of postmodern culture. Much of postmodern popular spirituality is seen as a very personal, private matter. Rebelling against the outdated mores of traditional religion, many of us have declared we no longer want to be part of some organized, moral teaching from on high that tells us how to live. In the age of the individual, spirituality is a private, secret path and it's not something we talk about in public because it's not something that a culture that champions materialism and narcissism gives much validity to.

    Evolutionary spirituality, however, is another step forward. In an evolutionary context we live our spiritual lives in public, because we have realized that our development is not a personal matter. If we are interested in the future, it's not about me; it's about we. Evolutionary spirituality is about where we are going. So now, instead of the personal, private, interior path of the lone individual, spiritual development becomes something we practice in public, because it's about creating the future for all of us".

    I think this also relates to Bergen's emphasis in the article on the folks who came out to clean the city. Through their action, they created a counter force to the base idiocy of the riots, and created a new groove for civic pride and community engagement. That was really cool to see, and given that it was quickly organized on social media sites, it bodes well for the growth of a new more active, participatory society/democracy. Anyway, thanks David (et. al), will have more to say later, gotta run for now.

  • Comment Link David Marshall Saturday, 25 June 2011 22:47 posted by David Marshall

    I see I made a little mistake and that it was actually Bruce who brought up Rene Girard. Thanks, Bruce. Great website.

    Trevor, thank you for the Andrew Cohen quote. That is a great one. I think his intersubjective yoga is really profound and important.

    Yes, actually it was Andrew who got me thinking about it in those terms and who has informed a lot of my ideas about culture and spirituality. He and they, as you know, spend a lot of time contemplating the effect of culture on spiritual practice, spiritual orientation, and spiritual lifestyle, and how we need to be consistently aware of cultural pressures if we want to stay one-pointed in our own spiritual endeavours. It is quite easy to get swept away.

    The violence in hockey is a really interesting subject as well, and I have been wondering what role it might have played here and what you would think about that.

    One thing that comes to mind is that the league's banning of bench-clearing brawls might have kept it from being worse. I saw one or two of those at Hawks games in the 70s, rather exciting. I wonder if the gang-beats could have been worse if that sort of thing were still going on. The ethic in NHL fighting might have helped control it a little as well, but I saw a couple of examples in the riots where it was pretty flagrantly ignored. Of course that's to be expected in any large crowd.

    But there is violence at other sporting events as well, so maybe we can't pin it on the fighting in hockey. Think of all the fighting surrounding football (soccer) games in Europe. I have a Polish friend who says it's not wise even to take the train on game days in Poland because of all the fighting. Maybe it has more to do with the way egocentric/tribal grooves are lit up in these sporting events, along with aggressive tendencies that are even deeper than that.

    There have been violent riots after Bulls championships in Chicago, also, and elsewhere, though there were probably a lot of other factors fueling those riots as well. But the fighting in hockey probably didn't help, either, and might have made it easier for a bunch of guys wearing hockey uniforms to start taking swings at each other.

    I've been wondering whether change is afoot with regard to fighting in hockey. It seems to me that if Derek Boogaard turns out to have had traumatic encephalopathy (after it turned out to be the case with Bob Probert) it might create some momentum to force some changes. If fighters keep turning up with that condition, it would seem that pressure on the league would start to mount.

    Sorry if that's too far off topic.

  • Comment Link Bruce Sunday, 26 June 2011 05:26 posted by Bruce

    Rich conversation. Thanks folks. Just following up Girard. The scapegoating theory is criticized insofar as Girard posits an actual original murder resulting from a couple of tribes going at it. The result is a momentary cessation of the violence. Both sides gather around a corpse, and a "holy hush" ensues.

    The tribes notice and are transfixed by the power of a corpse to cause the cessation of violence, and they then ritually re-enact this violent act that had the power to stop further escalation of violence - thus they find a scapegoat to sacrifice annually. This scapegoating violence worked for thousands of years, until it didn't.

    And when it doesn't, violence that doesn't work to stop escalating violence becomes merely contagious. It doesn't have any redemptive value or effect.

    Girard interprets the passion story as an orthodox Catholic from this perspective. Pilate attempted to re-enact this act of scapegoating violence as a means of social control, executing an innocent man, Jesus, in order to quell the possibility of escalating violence.

    But to be fully cathartic and have its social impact of controlling the escalation of violence, there must be buy-in from the crowds. The public must actually play its part in believing that the violence act was justified. This is the "myth" of sacred violence. They must collude in this collective deceit.

    But when the Roman soldiers confess "this truly was the son of God", they exit the trance. Everybody knows that an innocent man, and a holy man, was scapegoated. Here was an actual victim of violence. The curtain on the holy of holies is torn back in the TEmple - symbolizing that the myth of sacred violence has been exposed, and doing so in the exact place where animals are sacrificed as substitutes for humans.
    Jesus' death serves to reveal and undermine the Temple system of sacrifice, rather than reinforce it.

    So now what? The scapegoating mechanism has broken down, nobody is buying it. This is where Girard says that the ethic of
    love is required to replace scapegoating violence as a new basis for the social contract. But we're not there yet, and this is a key role of the church, to help make the transition.

    Think about professional wrestling - everybody knew it was fake, but still pretend that it's real. If you want to see a great example of the myth of sacred violence, watch The Wrestler again and check out all the biblical allusions to the suffering servant, the lamb that was led to slaughter, etc. But in the end this spectacle is merely tragic, not effective. In the end the curtain is torn back on the spectacle.

    Then we up the ante with kick-boxing. Here the violence is real and brutal. And the crowds grow. Are we trying to get back to the original murder, hoping (unconsciously) that one of these guys will be actually killed, and may bring on the holy hush? But the curtain has been torn in two and there is no going back. Violence, in these in between times, is merely contagious, not cathartic.

    At least that's Girard's take.

  • Comment Link mike Tuesday, 05 July 2011 02:38 posted by mike

    We still have rituals. They include but are not limited to: paying exorbitant sums for the privilege of adorning ourselves w/ the names of foreign millionaire men-of-leisure and the insignia of their corporate sponsors and then gathering in massive crowds and getting shitfaced while watching them pursue said leisure activities; marching through the streets screaming and cheering and high-fiving strangers and cops when they win; burning cop cars, breaking windows, and stealing everything from designer bags to fucking moisturizer when they lose; asking ourselves "what does it all MEEEEAN?" the next morning; and, the newest ritual but sure to have staying power, recreating the RL mob in cyberspace (albeit anonymously, sober, and on the other side of the prevailing moral code) to assert our superior conduct, morals, and all-around humanity by naming and shaming--destroying people's lives and livelihoods far more effectively than the cumbersome rule-of-law.

    Maybe not as fun as an Irish wake; certainly preferably to stoning adulterers.

    It's awesome when we win. The Olympics were amazing, and the Cup run right up until game 5 was an absolute blast. Hockey has provided the only times in my life when I've been part of a massive, jubilant crowd, all ages races and classes, all excited about the same thing. Pretty powerful shit.

    Choosing to do hockey this way is a gamble. While I agree the riot wasn't really about the game, the game certainly provided the necessary conditions and catalyst for it. But I don't think there would have been a riot if they won. All the drunk maniacs would've dispersed their impotence into high-fives. But we lost the bet.

    An important question I haven't really heard anyone asking is is it worth it?

    Is a couple million bucks of destruction a fair wager for all those nights of celebration, the entire two months of Canucks fever, the possibility of seeing the Cup drive down Georgia?

    As embarrassing and ridiculous as the riot was, I can't help but think the answer is yes. Maybe I'd feel different if I was a Blenz owner or a certain Maple Ridge water-poloer.

  • Comment Link Trevor Malkinson Tuesday, 05 July 2011 20:23 posted by Trevor Malkinson

    Mike, thanks for the comment, it had me cackling and howling with laughter, great commentary there. Are you a writer? Even if not, you should think about coming by and writing something for Beams, I for one would love to hear more of that voice. Drop us a line if you're interested. I was getting changed this morning and a bunch of sections of your first paragraph came back to my mind and I broke out in another round of cackles again. thanks, great stuff.

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:45 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    Subjugate, Sublimate, Transmute – What to do with all this energy?

    I would like to offer what I hope is a useful narrative from which to understand the Vancouver riots (and now, by extension, the London riots) – it is the narrative of energy that Trevor introduced when he wrote:

    Consider the natural energies running through the bodies of young men, age 16, 18, 19, 20. Testosterone. Self assertion. Will to power. Now stuff them in an impotence box. Tell them to stay there the rest of their lives.

    I would like to offer the distinction between subjugating, sublimating and transmutating energies. In energy terms, subjugation means meeting a force with the same kind of force, but being able to defeat it, or extinguish it. If you try to meet a train head on to see which has the most force—chances are your energy will be subjugated by the train. Subversion is an interesting variation in which you yourself do not attempt to subjugate the force, but you subvert the force so that it meets a third force that can subjugate it (like you derail the train into a mountainside or when Indiana Jones has two killers attacking him from opposite directions, and he simply moves aside at the last moment and the two killers bang into each other).

    Sublimation, on the other hand, is the transference of the energy that arises from one type of “work” or “output” or “outlet” into another type. The ability to sublimate primordial energies has been very valuable to the human species. Humans have learned to sublimate primordial energies into great individual and social achievements in arts, entertainment, cultural goods, social goals, etc… Boot camp training is an example of sublimation of “raw energy” into an indoctrinated system that is challenging and can optimize that kind of energy that the military needs. Organized sports is another example of the socially organized sublimation of energy. The typical pattern of sublimation of energies in western society goes from school sports to college raves and sexual explorations (explosions) to career (or alternately, family care), and then retirement-type values such as consuming entertainment or education, or pursuing a hobby.

    In this context, I might argue that the patterns Spiral Dynamics is describing are examples of the sequential social sublimation of primordial energies, and the reason why the spiral spirals – or continuously shift into different forms, is because 1) the energectis of the individual tend to wane over time, and 2) sublimation of energies is a temporary “fix.” I also like the idea that pre-modern societies entailed simple subjugation of energies (the subjugation of animals for meat, the subjugation of competitors for breeding), while the modern is the era of sublimation of energies. It is not a coincidence that the work “subliminal” in advertising, has the same root as “sublimation.”





    The ability for modern society to effectively sublimate energies is responsible for the achievements of the modern era in both science, religion, arts, social & cultural development. Human energy has been sublimated into great advances in technology, knowledge systems, military force, social infrastructure which includes the entire range of implicit and explicit social contracts. The process has driven a spiral of development based on translations of one sublimating narrative into another, and the inter-generational indoctrination/internalization of these narratives. The energy that arises in school children is no longer merely subjugated by physical punishment or the threat of it, but is channeled into a narrative that speaks to, and challenges the ego to “do something else with this energy.” Sports in school is a prime example, as are activities of all sorts that constantly keep kids going, going, going like the ever-ready bunny rabbit. Then they get out of college (that stint where students are well equipped to create their own rage events) and there is nothing else to move on to. Increasingly in the post-modern era, there are no jobs that are capable of sublimating the enormous pool of energy from 6 billion humans. Increasingly school is becoming incapable of sublimating the tidal wave of youthful energy for whom the old forms are no longer effective, and for whom the new forms (video games, consumerism, spectating, etc…) are, as Trevor points out, containers that are too small to fit what is arising. So perhaps what is happening in Vancouver is in some significant way, the same as what has happened in Cairo, Tripoli, and Mogadishu. Maybe what is happening is more significant than any of our convenient narratives about democracies, capitalism, consumerism, spectator-ism, boomeritis, and integralism. Maybe one of the signs of the shift from modern to post-modern is that sublimation is no longer effective for social cohesion—regardless of the symbolic form it takes in Cario, Tripoli, Mogadishu or Vancouver (red, blue, green, yellow)—and that the energetic momentum that results will counter-balance the globalization of everything and the drive toward something like a global mind. There may be a shift around the corner, from post-modern to post postmodern, but it may not be what you think.

    I believe that what is coming is the era in which people will learn how to engage primordial energies at a trans-egoic level and transmute energies into novel forms, other than the contracted types that manifest as emotions. We will learn how to observe the basic affective quality of energy, as it arises, prior to their habituated contraction, symbolic re-presentation by the self and reification by the grasping mind. Needless to say, we will have narratives to describe this process, but they will not involve the role of the ego-self as we conceptualize it today. I consider my process model helpful in describing the “direction” of where this inquiry must go, deep inside the onto-genetic process prior to the arising of our sense of self as a unit of being that stands in for its dynamic arising (i.e. the energetic of the process). This is definitely not in the direction that is conceived in mainstream integral circles as “up the spiral” and would require another lengthy essay in itself. Instead, I will leave this essay with a story that Chogyam Trungpa[i] tells about Milarepa and the transmutation of energies:

    In “The Tale of Red Rock Jewel Valley,” when Milarepa went back into his cave after having a comforting vision of Marpa [his teacher], he was confronted with a gang of demons. He tried every way he could think of to get rid of them, all kinds of tactics. He threatened them, cajoled them, he even preached the Dharma to them. But they would not leave until he ceased regarding them as “bad” and opened to them, saw them as they were. This was the beginning of Milarepa’s period of learning how to subjugate the demons, which is the same thing as transmuting the emotions. It is with our emotions that we create demons and gods: those things which we don’t want in our lives and world are the demons; those things which we would draw to us are the gods and goddesses. The rest is just scenery.

    By being willing to accept the demons and gods and goddesses as they are, Milarepa transmuted them. They became dakinis, of the energies of life. The whole first part of The Hundred Thousand Songs deals with Milarepa’s mastery of transmutation, his growing ability to open to the world as it is… . Toward the end of his life he had completely perfected the transmutation process to the point where he could be called … the “Holder of the Crazy Wisdom.” No longer could he be swayed by the winds of hope and fear. … Now his life was a continual dance with the dakinis [primordial energies].

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Wednesday, 31 August 2011 21:15 posted by Philip Corkill

    Dear Bonnitta,

    Hearing your song, I am inspired with great joy!;-)

    Thank you for not even preaching the Dharma of integralism.

    May we grow in our ability to open up to the primordial energies and see them as they are.

    Love,

    Phil (off to read the actual article now)

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Friday, 16 September 2011 12:51 posted by Philip Corkill

    "after this, Milarepa gained immeasurable spiritual progress"

    I love the way this piece reveals layers of truth about the Vancouver riots through the original 7 angles. Then, with each comment and further perspective offered, brings more nuanced aspects of the riots, and ourselves, to light. Respect, all.

    Then, for me, the narrative offered by Bonnitta, reaches into that exposed core and breaks open a view that penetrates to the essence of rioting. I think and feel it’s an understanding that can help us actually defuse the bomb in the long term. Not forever repeat variations on the cycle that Mike satires above.

    After all, Milarepa was once a rascal of a youth, prone to using his energies in devastating ways. It took a life of practice (not to be ignored) but “toward the end of his life he had completely perfected the transmutation process to the point where he could be called … the “Holder of the Crazy Wisdom””…Now his life was a continual dance with the dakinis [primordial energies].”

    This seems so relevant to me that I’ve been tempted to paste it all over the site:-). It connects so many dots. So I’d really relish that other lengthy essay Bonnitta alludes to towards the close. Especially regarding what she believes “is coming”.

    Also, the new narrative helps me understand myself in relation to these issues. For example, why I relate so strongly to Trevor having “a protective reaction when people started talking about looking into the violence of the game.” I think of those moments of primal connection and aliveness, when watching some flagrant foul, triggers a surge of rage through our bodies, jumps us out of our seats together, swearing unselfconsciously at the pitch, court or even TV screen. If we look more closely at what goes on here energetically, plus how we set up the whole drama culturally, might we end up having to question canned violence and risk loosing those thrills? (I actually don’t think so. I’m more excited about what new delight we might gain)

    For starters without calling it rage, such a moment is an ecstatic hit of raw energy from inside, often paired with similar juice from those around us. When else do we get that? Prior habituated sublimation, cultivated suppression and attempted subjugation, have prepared this perfectly over time. It’s a brief glimpse of cathartic riot that gives us, for a moment, what we otherwise don’t get, in modern society. Which makes me think that this narrative also provokes us to ask: do we really want to defuse the “potential H-Bomb”? And what do we do then? What is the threat in the promise of the new? And how might the third way, transmutation, give us what we actually need in a much more fulfilling way?

    There are things I don’t understand about your comments Bonnitta (I’m not so educated), things I’d like to ask you.

    First, a view - as I understand your three ways of working with energy - of the reactions I’ve observed (or have been left wanting to hear) to the London riots (which were closer to home for me).

    I have heard and read British comments on the riots along the lines of “Subjugation”: They were caused by pure criminality, calling for a "robust response" to rioters or even to kick their heads in, or send in the army.

    “Sublimation” is also a feature of widespread sentiments in reaction to the rioting: Riots were caused by government cuts and various social influences over time. These kids need jobs, sports and other focuses that discipline them to the proper channels of social cohesion in modern society. Put them in the army etc.

    What I haven’t come across is a response aligned in any way with “Transmutation” (e.g.: Send these kids to Poona to learn, as Milarepa did, to inquire consciously, engage, and transmute emotions directly. Riot police no longer needed;-). Hence (perhaps), I haven’t heard a convincing, potent, long-term, preventive vision. Why?

    We’re not even asking with an open heart: “What to do with all this energy?” Perhaps we’re not recognising that, stripped of their “symbolic form”, the energies at the heart, belly, or balls of rioting, are aspects of our very own primordial vitality. When we say the rioting is ugly and stupid, which I would say too, to what extent are we clear enough to criticise the form it took but not withdraw from, or abandon, the core energy itself? Rejecting the rioters and, perhaps less visibly, rejecting parts of ourselves. Let alone transmuting the energies.

    If we play the riot footage with closed eyes i.e. unable to see anything “despicable”, ”shameful”, “disgraceful” or ”appalling” going on, what does it sound like? More importantly can we hear and meet it as it is? What does it feel like? What does it speak to and where do we feel it?

    Observing scenes like this can be really scary, depending on how familiar we are with our own physicality, sexuality, strength and rage. We might react by trying, by any means necessary, to stop it reaching us or having anything to do with us.

    “He tried every way he could think of to get rid of them, all kinds of tactics. He threatened them, cajoled them, he even preached the Dharma to them. But they would not leave until he ceased regarding them as “bad” and opened to them, saw them as they were.”

    I just practiced a bit, listening to the riot clip above, with closed eyes and found that, once I had the courage to let it in, it touched me very much the way that the experience of being there is described by Andrew:

    “There was an energy, a feeling of liberation unrestrained, of being solely in the moment…””…and it was fun.” or “exhilarating”.

    There’s something orgiastic about it, hence for an Englishman like me, feelings of embarrassment are triggered too. It speaks to our aliveness, our totality, our physical vitality and the centre of our life energy. I feel it in my belly.

    It also speaks to the longing to belong to a vibrant, jubilant collective. It addresses rising up, open-throated shouting out, and breaking through. And that’s just a YouTube clip. Virtual practice. I can really recommend trying it out (the listening exercise, not rioting) and wonder what you might add.

    I think that, stripped of the baggage of its accidental, unconscious activation, the involuntary overwhelm and the facade of "riot", rioting really does express the same essential energy as the energy welling up in more politically correct unrest and uprisings elsewhere. There’s nothing wrong with that core energy and we would do well to get acquainted with the exact locations it speaks to in ourselves, and how else it can be worked with as a “real asset” when seen for what it is. Individually and collectively: we needn’t throw the teenager out with the bong-water.




    At long last, here are my questions, since you seem very clear about this Bonnitta (or anyone else):

    Of the mature Milarepa it is said “No longer could he be swayed by the winds of hope and fear.” To what extent is transmutation a threat to the ways of power in modern society? I’m imagining a generation of teens no longer manipulable by hope or fear.

    As a concept, a collective that learns to transmute primordial energies, might appear as a threat to the sustainability “of great individual and social achievements in arts, entertainment, cultural goods, social goals,”etc that you say result from a societies ability to sublimate primordial energies.

    If we begin to observe and work directly with the same energies that, when sublimated, facilitate modernity, what will happen to the valuable achievements of modernity, when those same energies are transmuted? Are the days of the great advances “in technology, knowledge systems, military force and social infrastructure” numbered?

    You also mention sublimation of energies into “The entire range of implicit and explicit social contracts”. What is the future of those? If sublimation is no longer effective for social cohesion, in a postmodern world, then what is?

    As a lived process I don’t think the threat is real but I don’t really understand why. It’s just that most of the great transmuters of energy I have met are simultaneously some of the most functional modern and postmodern citizens when they want to be. Some of them take great delight in watching modern sports. However, they might not hang their hopes on them so much. I have a friend with little experience of transmutation, an utterly bright and delightful intellect. He once told me that the best week of his life was when Liverpool won the champions league. Now I can’t imagine that kind of fanaticism from someone who knows where his energies live, how they are appealed to in culture and how to engage them directly.

    So there’s another point. How (ir)relevant is bright intellectual understanding when it comes to learning to feel in the open observing way that can facilitate transmutation? However integral your thinking is, it doesn’t mean that you're willing to feel anything does it?

    Modern or postmodern functionality doesn’t strike me as being a prerequisite for transmutation. Are Subjugation, sublimation, transmutation necessarily a progression? Do they build on one another? Can they work side by side in a collective. What do you think about this?

    Are spiral dynamics and similar approaches, models that map cultural development ONLY as long as human societies pass sublimating narratives from one generation to the next? Might cultural and individual development occur very differently as we learn to transmute energies?

    I’ve always wondered if, for instance, it’s really necessary for peoples to loose touch with certain sensitivities as they grow through what integral calls “formal rational” (or whatever), only to regain those sensitivities with the emergence of the “sensitive self”. When I look at kids I don’t see why they shouldn’t stay vulnerable, keep their full dignity and sporadically refresh and renew their innocence. Of course they need to grow in many, many ways but why the hide and seek game with sensitivity and other qualities?

    Milarepa wandered for long periods in valleys devoid of people and meditated on mountains and in caves. His social contacts (with humans) mostly took the form of teaching a brilliant blend of edutainment. Could he have managed in a collective? Can you imagine him playing or watching hockey?

    Can there be boot camps and organized sports of transmutation? Most of the sports I’ve played rely a little on subjugation but much more heavily on sublimation. Even to the extent that they seem to create time! They are intrinsically conducive to pushing energy into ambition that needs a future to be projected onto. I like Andrew's description in his Ode to Sport:

    “Sports such as football or hockey contextualise the violence. They ritualise violence. Re-enact it, play it out and legitimise it. But they also contain violence. Dispose of violence through intelligence. They complexify the violence and give it context. It separates the thug from the athlete, the brawler from the fighter.”

    That’s a description of a type of sublimation, right?

    I hope we’ll see new transmutive sports being invented. Conducive to real fulfillment while being played. Designed to transmute primordial energies into novel forms. No need for revenge in the future. And I think we’ll learn to dance the sports that we already have, more conscious of the drama we are creating. Able to defuse it, amp it up and beautify it when needed. What’s your take?

    Andrew also says: “All sport has at its core an essential violence, whether it be hidden as in tennis or out in the open like boxing”

    Could this change?. Without loosing the intensity.

    A deeply fascinating example of a group activity that is profoundly conducive to transmutation is contact improvisation dance. It’s low competition, high collaboration. Low spectator value (unless you’ve participated at some point), high participation value. It’s a continual intensification and deepening of presence and response, not storing energy to create ambitions, rivalries, and wounds to avenge in the future. You actually explore and get to know energies and let them find their natural function. Projections of future impede your dance. In fact the more awake and aware you are of what is currently happening, the safer, more fluent, and graceful the activity is too. And it’s far from boring (not like playing monopoly and sharing everything equally). It’s a delightful and deeply nourishing experience.

    Any other examples of novel forms that exemplify the results or means of transmutation?

    Will sex become less seductive and more vital and creative? Or will it be more seductive and more creative, just less cerebral? Can it even be maintained when transmuted to love and prayer?

    How does this all relate to the model of spiritual bypass? Milarepa certainly wasn’t one to avoid anything. Or was he? Can transmutation “transcend and include” or is it more an “embody and transfigure” or “transcend and transform”? Does it birth the very same energy as something new so that the previous form dies, is burned up, rather than being included?

    Will we gain immeasurable spiritual progress as a collective if we learn to open up in Milarepa”/Bonnitta’s way, to our outer rioters and our inner, riot-ready – often concealed - demons?

    Are rioters, in their raw energy, potential dakinis?

    What are the differences between what mainstream integral calls “up the spiral” and the direction you think this inquiry needs to go? If the shift “may not be what we think”, please tell us more about what you think.

    Is there something in the following model?:

    Subjugation = Pre-modern.
    Sublimation = Modern.
    Transmutatio = Postmodern.
    All-three-where-appropriate = Post-postmodern

    What do you mean by “the energetic momentum [of the failure of sublimation] that results will counter-balance the globalization of everything and the drive toward something like a global mind.” I just didn’t get that point. Could you explain?

    If anyone is still reading this, they will have noticed that I could go on forever. Sorry I couldn't contain my energy any better.

    I'd better leave this inexhaustible piece over to anyone else who feels moved by what Bonnitta has offered. Or for your views Bonnitta.

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Friday, 16 September 2011 13:47 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    Philip, What a delightful gift to receive your responses -- especially this one, which is really helpful for me, since I can use it as an outline to build on this idea. I find it difficult to write when there is no conversational "other" engaged... and your thoughts/inquiry is so well written and provocative. I am at a Meta-Theory symposium this week, but I will be working on a reply that is adequate to the level of inquiry you have put forth here. Thanks again. You've tapped my energy deep at that source, and it is flowing freely through your presence here.

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Friday, 04 November 2011 19:22 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    • "after this, Milarepa gained immeasurable spiritual progress"

    In what follows are Phillips (P) comments and my (B) response to his post above.


    P:There are things I don’t understand about your comments Bonnitta (I’m not so educated), things I’d like to ask you.

    B:Perhaps your lack of “education” is the reason for your intuitive wisdom.
    At long last, here are my questions, since you seem very clear about this Bonnitta (or anyone else):

    P : Of the mature Milarepa it is said “No longer could he be swayed by the winds of hope and fear.” To what extent is transmutation a threat to the ways of power in modern society? I’m imagining a generation of teens no longer manipulable by hope or fear.

    B: I think that when an individual is transmuted (if that’s an appropriate phrase), he does not appear as a threat to others in the way you are asking here. She appears as invincible, the unmoved mover, light as a feather even in “conflict”, a mirror, like the pond reflecting the moon, a curiosity, sometimes a fool, someone who seems to have an uncanny secret, a planter of seeds but also a sower of pesky weeds that erupt in your garden of sensibility, style, fairness, sense of right or wrong and justice. So no, I think that this is in a sense “under the radar screen” of socio-politico-economic power theatre, but very powerful stuff if one puts this attitude in the service of activism, lets say.

    P: As a concept, a collective that learns to transmute primordial energies, might appear as a threat to the sustainability “of great individual and social achievements in arts, entertainment, cultural goods, social goals,”etc that you say result from a societies ability to sublimate primordial energies.

    If we begin to observe and work directly with the same energies that, when sublimated, facilitate modernity, what will happen to the valuable achievements of modernity, when those same energies are transmuted? Are the days of the great advances “in technology, knowledge systems, military force and social infrastructure” numbered?

    B: I am thinking of Matisse in particular, but there are others, many other artists, whose work is *released* into genius when they cross over from sublimating their energy into the free and open, direct translation of them into their art. Or think of Lascaux. Studying art history and looking for this transformation is a real kick-ass way to go. In this sense, the same thing happened to Milarepa, who ended up writing songs (like David in the Bible).

    P: You also mention sublimation of energies into “The entire range of implicit and explicit social contracts”. What is the future of those? If sublimation is no longer effective for social cohesion, in a postmodern world, then what is?

    B: It is necessary to see that the basic ground of our being is and always has not only given us the possibility for cohesion, but its assurance. Lack of connection to this very basic existential reality gives us the opposite impression. Where do we connect with this? Where we source from the same energy field that is at our core.

    P: As a lived process I don’t think the threat is real but I don’t really understand why. It’s just that most of the great transmuters of energy I have met are simultaneously some of the most functional modern and postmodern citizens when they want to be. Some of them take great delight in watching modern sports. However, they might not hang their hopes on them so much. I have a friend with little experience of transmutation, an utterly bright and delightful intellect. He once told me that the best week of his life was when Liverpool won the champions league. Now I can’t imagine that kind of fanaticism from someone who knows where his energies live, how they are appealed to in culture and how to engage them directly.

    So there’s another point. How (ir)relevant is bright intellectual understanding when it comes to learning to feel in the open observing way that can facilitate transmutation? However integral your thinking is, it doesn’t mean that you're willing to feel anything does it?

    B: I think there are multiple “portals” to transmutation – the body can be a portal, certainly, but also the mind, since both are “energies” that source from the core, with different qualities. I teach energy awareness with the help of horses, how to perceive the horse-human relationship in terms of the basic quality of what is arising, and how to work from/with that palatable feeling, without reification or labelling. It is exhilarating way to play!

    P: Modern or postmodern functionality doesn’t strike me as being a prerequisite for transmutation. Are Subjugation, sublimation, transmutation necessarily a progression? Do they build on one another? Can they work side by side in a collective. What do you think about this?

    B: I told the story *as if* they were a progression in the socio-cultural history of humans. This may or may not be a useful narrative. I think that teachers, coaches, plain ole folk who have transmuted energy are catalysts for others, both energetically, and psycho-dynamically (which of course, at the level of energy is not-two)… when you are around these people you get the feeling that they have “something” that you want, some kind of freedom you really really want, you get a tiny taste of that freedom being with them. It provides an attractor. But they can’t teach it through reification, so they give you the feeling that they are also holding back, teasing you a little, maybe laughing at you and your sorry, contracted state. Ever experience that?

    P: Are spiral dynamics and similar approaches, models that map cultural development ONLY as long as human societies pass sublimating narratives from one generation to the next? Might cultural and individual development occur very differently as we learn to transmute energies?

    B: Spiral dynamics, in my opinion, is deeply flawed fantasy of some people with deeply impervious blind spots. So maybe not get me going with that. And the word “development” is already loaded with all kinds of reified baggage… that depends upon being alienated from basic sense of freedom, the open nature of the field of energy at a very deep , primordial level. When I engage people in talk about “development” or “spiral dynamics” there is a sense that we are playing word games, because we cannot take the time to stop, look at the basic aspect of what is arising. And the start from there. It’s like when you meet someone (at a party, bar…) who gets your sexual energies all fired up, and you know the same is true for the other, and you get stuck in this play-role of talking about the weather, or your iPhone apps or something. You are already engaged at a level that is alienated from the very basic energy. I am not saying this is bad. I am just making distinctions.

    P: I’ve always wondered if, for instance, it’s really necessary for peoples to loose touch with certain sensitivities as they grow through what integral calls “formal rational” (or whatever), only to regain those sensitivities with the emergence of the “sensitive self”. When I look at kids I don’t see why they shouldn’t stay vulnerable, keep their full dignity and sporadically refresh and renew their innocence. Of course they need to grow in many, many ways but why the hide and seek game with sensitivity and other qualities?

    B: Yes, it’s a game of hide and seek wherein we do both the hiding and seeking. When this is transparent, it is a kind of very high play. When it becomes alienated it becomes contracted, pathological from the POV of basic sanity.

    P: Milarepa wandered for long periods in valleys devoid of people and meditated on mountains and in caves. His social contacts (with humans) mostly took the form of teaching a brilliant blend of edutainment. Could he have managed in a collective? Can you imagine him playing or watching hockey?

    B: Yes, I am sure he could, instead he composed songs. He remained a farmer (if I remember correctly). Think of him as Hoss Cartright.

    P: Can there be boot camps and organized sports of transmutation? Most of the sports I’ve played rely a little on subjugation but much more heavily on sublimation. Even to the extent that they seem to create time! They are intrinsically conducive to pushing energy into ambition that needs a future to be projected onto. I like Andrew's description in his Ode to Sport:

    B: Yes, sports are a good framework for this, if one was utilizing it this way. As I mentioned before, my horses teach energy awareness, and work at a very basic level with people. Horses are really good at not overly complexifying the situation.

    P: “Sports such as football or hockey contextualise the violence. They ritualise violence. Re-enact it, play it out and legitimise it. But they also contain violence. Dispose of violence through intelligence. They complexify the violence and give it context. It separates the thug from the athlete, the brawler from the fighter.”
    That’s a description of a type of sublimation, right?

    B: Right, the sublimation is in the narrative/context/framework. It uses the intellect to deflect the direct apperception of the moment.

    P: I hope we’ll see new transmutive sports being invented.

    B: Come visit my farm. The horses are already doing this.


    P: Conducive to real fulfillment while being played. Designed to transmute primordial energies into novel forms. No need for revenge in the future. And I think we’ll learn to dance the sports that we already have, more conscious of the drama we are creating. Able to defuse it, amp it up and beautify it when needed. What’s your take?

    B: I think you are a natural.

    P: Andrew also says: “All sport has at its core an essential violence, whether it be hidden as in tennis or out in the open like boxing” Could this change?. Without loosing the intensity.

    B: Yes. I think that it could be *perfected* by this new approach. Did you ever see Million Dollar Baby?

    P: A deeply fascinating example of a group activity that is profoundly conducive to transmutation is contact improvisation dance. It’s low competition, high collaboration. Low spectator value (unless you’ve participated at some point), high participation value. It’s a continual intensification and deepening of presence and response, not storing energy to create ambitions, rivalries, and wounds to avenge in the future. You actually explore and get to know energies and let them find their natural function. Projections of future impede your dance. In fact the more awake and aware you are of what is currently happening, the safer, more fluent, and graceful the activity is too. And it’s far from boring (not like playing monopoly and sharing everything equally). It’s a delightful and deeply nourishing experience.

    B: Excellent! Do you know Tom Murray? He participates with a men’s group in Northhampton, MA for a very long time. And has written lovely poetry that is clean and crisp about the beauty of this.

    P: Will sex become less seductive and more vital and creative? Or will it be more seductive and more creative, just less cerebral? Can it even be maintained when transmuted to love and prayer?
    B: Will? It is always already possible and yes.

    P: How does this all relate to the model of spiritual bypass? Milarepa certainly wasn’t one to avoid anything. Or was he? Can transmutation “transcend and include” or is it more an “embody and transfigure” or “transcend and transform”? Does it birth the very same energy as something new so that the previous form dies, is burned up, rather than being included?

    B: I think from the place of transmuted energy, questions like that becomes part of the creative play of mind, creative imaginaries, or useful epistemic tools. They are not “serious” questions in the same way we think of them as serious ones.

    P: Will we gain immeasurable spiritual progress as a collective if we learn to open up in Milarepa”/Bonnitta’s way, to our outer rioters and our inner, riot-ready – often concealed - demons?

    B: We will act from that place of choice, which is unbounded, spaceless and absolutely open and free. But we will act, or more appropriately we can say there will be a seamless integrity, or no separation between self/being/doing/action.

    P: Are rioters, in their raw energy, potential dakinis?

    B: Well yes, everything under the sun is a dakini.

    P: What are the differences between what mainstream integral calls “up the spiral” and the direction you think this inquiry needs to go? If the shift “may not be what we think”, please tell us more about what you think.

    B: My opinion is that mainstream integral theory is a product of what Gebser called deficient stage Rational consciousness, hyper-complexity because it is exhausting its usefulness. The key characteristics of Rational consciousness are being locked into dualistic categories – and the “dialectical movement” that perceives that the next higher level has resolved the fundamental duality of the previous level, but it has merely complexified it. That is why we have the AQAL model, why it is so simple and elegant, because all of rational thought it based on the hyper complexification of two fundamental dualities (interior/exterior – or subject/object- and singular/plural –or whole/part) and its continual iterations “up the spiral”. We need to look at root causes of our confusion, and our chaotic energy body. That will be the real shift. Everything else is scenary.

    P: What do you mean by “the energetic momentum [of the failure of sublimation] that results will counter-balance the globalization of everything and the drive toward something like a global mind.” I just didn’t get that point. Could you explain?

    B: I think that the persistent interpretation of socio-cultural evolution as becoming something like a convergent super-self, or super-mind or super-subject or any such nonsense is part of the dialectical pattern of a dualistically entrenched rational consciousness. But this might be heretical to say on Beams so I keep my lips hermetically sealed for the time being 

    B: Thanks Phillip for your wonderful insights!

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Sunday, 13 November 2011 15:28 posted by Philip Corkill

    Pardabom declared: ”these teachings are indeed like a rustless mirror, which reflects images flawlessly”

    All open eyes on Bonnitta's response above!

    Dear Bergen and Chela (Br. Trevor, Chris, TJ, Juma, Andrew, Scott and co) I think that was my first submission for Beams and Struts:-)

    I call it:

    „Bonnitta, Tell us more!“
    From The Vancouver Riots To The Rainbowvolution;-)
    As called for by Philip (from Greek: Friend of the Horse;-)

    Sincerely, Bonnitta, upon receiving your response - if it wasn't for this medication I have to take - I would have danced all night. Instead, after a brief but jubilant, Cajon solo (I sit on a Cajon at my desk), my being continued to dance while my body and mind where slowly sedated until knocked out clean:-)

    The next day the inspiration continued, underscored by the cranes flying south in V formation under the golden moon, across the clear, deep blue, evening sky.

    If you would like, and Beams would like, us to continue, reinvent, or start the conversation (more like interview or call and response) anew, in a less remote corner of Beams and Struts, I would love to continue to make a delighted fool of myself in this way. Engaging as conversational other in service of releasing the view that I intuit to be “at the tip of your tongue” in various comment spaces around this site. Whilst I don't feel quite qualified and certainly not quantified to submit a piece of my own at this time, I can imagine submitting something like the above “dialogue”.

    If you would prefer to leave this here as a seed and “pesky weed” at the periphery of the Beams garden then I am happy with that too. I'll continue re-reading and soaking this up here...

    ...and yet, I would just love to hear more when you are ready to say more:-)

    I'll be back with a few responses to your questions later. Now I must be off to play basketball. Where I will be accompanied by your horses and the challenge of utilising sport as a transmutive dance...

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Tuesday, 15 November 2011 11:47 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    Philip - would LOVE to riff with you!
    a big "yes" the size of the universe.

    (as she beams and struts around the room)

    b

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Tuesday, 15 November 2011 15:27 posted by Philip Corkill

    *Belly LOL*
    Wonderful!
    (beaming and gleaming with the galactic green light)
    Will take a moment to begin.
    When I look in the mirror and see a computer screen, it's time to get my ass out into the forest some more!
    Looking forward:-)
    p

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Friday, 16 December 2011 01:07 posted by Philip Corkill

    "after this, Philip gained immeasurable egoic progress" ;-)

    Here are my brief responses to Bonnitta's answers, which I've included in full, for anyone that didn't catch them last time. I'm still drinking their nectar. Then I will pass you the first question of my proposed dialogue behind the scenes, Bonnitta, and we can see if it grows to a flower that we would like to plant in a less obscure plot in the Beams garden.

    B: Perhaps your lack of “education” is the reason for your intuitive wisdom.

    P: May it be so. But I would now (finally at 30!) like very much to add an intelligent education to the tool kit.

    B: I think that when an individual is transmuted (if that’s an appropriate phrase), he does not appear as a threat to others in the way you are asking here. She appears as invincible, the unmoved mover, light as a feather even in “conflict”, a mirror, like the pond reflecting the moon, a curiosity, sometimes a fool, someone who seems to have an uncanny secret, a planter of seeds but also a sower of pesky weeds that erupt in your garden of sensibility, style, fairness, sense of right or wrong and justice. So no, I think that this is in a sense “under the radar screen” of socio-politico-economic power theatre, but very powerful stuff if one puts this attitude in the service of activism, lets say. 

    P: Teach me that! I don't know if an individual could be transmuted before this statement but as far as I'm concerned he certainly can now.

    B: I am thinking of Matisse in particular, but there are others, many other artists, whose work is *released* into genius when they cross over from sublimating their energy into the free and open, direct translation of them into their art. Or think of Lascaux. Studying art history and looking for this transformation is a real kick-ass way to go. In this sense, the same thing happened to Milarepa, who ended up writing songs (like David in the Bible).

    P: Sounds like a good place to begin my education :-) and good news for human culture.


    B: It is necessary to see that the basic ground of our being is and always has not only given us the possibility for cohesion, but its assurance. Lack of connection to this very basic existential reality gives us the opposite impression. Where do we connect with this? Where we source from the same energy field that is at our core.

    P: Absolutely YES!


    B: I think there are multiple “portals” to transmutation – the body can be a portal, certainly, but also the mind, since both are “energies” that source from the core, with different qualities. I teach energy awareness with the help of horses, how to perceive the horse-human relationship in terms of the basic quality of what is arising, and how to work from/with that palatable feeling, without reification or labelling. It is exhilarating way to play!

    P: I bet it is. That's so exciting. I'm very interested in the mind as a portal to transformation too, since that is my neglected portal creating tool.


    B: I told the story *as if* they were a progression in the socio-cultural history of humans. This may or may not be a useful narrative. I think that teachers, coaches, plain ole folk who have transmuted energy are catalysts for others, both energetically, and psycho-dynamically (which of course, at the level of energy is not-two)… when you are around these people you get the feeling that they have “something” that you want, some kind of freedom you really really want, you get a tiny taste of that freedom being with them. It provides an attractor. But they can’t teach it through reification, so they give you the feeling that they are also holding back, teasing you a little, maybe laughing at you and your sorry, contracted state. Ever experience that?

    P: Are you making fun of/with me;-)? Story of my life!


    B: Spiral dynamics, in my opinion, is deeply flawed fantasy of some people with deeply impervious blind spots. So maybe not get me going with that. And the word “development” is already loaded with all kinds of reified baggage… that depends upon being alienated from basic sense of freedom, the open nature of the field of energy at a very deep , primordial level. When I engage people in talk about “development” or “spiral dynamics” there is a sense that we are playing word games, because we cannot take the time to stop, look at the basic aspect of what is arising. And the start from there. It’s like when you meet someone (at a party, bar…) who gets your sexual energies all fired up, and you know the same is true for the other, and you get stuck in this play-role of talking about the weather, or your iPhone apps or something. You are already engaged at a level that is alienated from the very basic energy. I am not saying this is bad. I am just making distinctions.

    P: Your wish is my command, I won't get you started. Yes, and the very basic energy between you is also already engaging in an immediate sense. It's a lot more fun to know it!

    B: Yes, it’s a game of hide and seek wherein we do both the hiding and seeking. When this is transparent, it is a kind of very high play. When it becomes alienated it becomes contracted, pathological from the POV of basic sanity.

    P: Basic sanity is not my strength, so I guess I'm afflicted. But always ready to learn to play.

    B: Yes, I am sure he could, instead he composed songs. He remained a farmer (if I remember correctly). Think of him as Hoss Cartright.

    P: LOL

    B: Yes, sports are a good framework for this, if one was utilizing it this way. As I mentioned before, my horses teach energy awareness, and work at a very basic level with people. Horses are really good at not overly complexifying the situation.

    P: I'm scared of horses. This is not good for a Philip and I'm ready, if rather apprehensive, to make friends.

    Before I got so ill, I made a spirited attempt to transform Basketball from an accidentally exhilarating hamster-wheel into a double-sided mirror of life celebrating itself. As I said that's where I tasted the sweet twinkle in the eye of the sower of seeds myself. The 10-17 year olds where so ready to step out of what is becoming a educational prison for them, with never an unplanned moment (mostly scheduled by someone else). OR what becomes a burn out/drop out nightmare. German efficiency in the age of exponential increase in information.

    B: Right, the sublimation is in the narrative/context/framework. It uses the intellect to deflect the direct apperception of the moment.

    P: So we can reverse engineer this for the creation of the sports of transmutation.

    B: Come visit my farm. The horses are already doing this.

    P: Bonnitta, be carefull what you say to a wandering monk like me. You've seeded a philgrimage in my being. If you were just making a point: stop me while you still can!

    B: I think you are a natural.

    *Blush*

    B: Yes. I think that it could be *perfected* by this new approach. Did you ever see Million Dollar Baby? 

    P: No, sadly I haven't been able to fit any movies into my life for a very long time. I'll note that one in my mind should an oportunity arise.


    B: Excellent! Do you know Tom Murray? He participates with a men’s group in Northhampton, MA for a very long time. And has written lovely poetry that is clean and crisp about the beauty of this.

    P: No, please point me/us to his work.


    B: (P's original question: Will sex become less seductive and more vital and creative? Or will it be more seductive and more creative, just less cerebral? Can it even be maintained when transmuted to love and prayer?) B: Will? It is always already possible and yes. 

    P: Ooops! Just forget it ok.

    B: I think from the place of transmuted energy, questions like that becomes part of the creative play of mind, creative imaginaries, or useful epistemic tools. They are not “serious” questions in the same way we think of them as serious ones. 

    P: OK

    B: We will act from that place of choice, which is unbounded, spaceless and absolutely open and free. But we will act, or more appropriately we can say there will be a seamless integrity, or no separation between self/being/doing/action. 

    P: Amen. So it is and so it shall be.

    B: Well yes, everything under the sun is a dakini. 

    P: Oooops!

    B: My opinion is that mainstream integral theory is a product of what Gebser called deficient stage Rational consciousness, hyper-complexity because it is exhausting its usefulness. The key characteristics of Rational consciousness are being locked into dualistic categories – and the “dialectical movement” that perceives that the next higher level has resolved the fundamental duality of the previous level, but it has merely complexified it. That is why we have the AQAL model, why it is so simple and elegant, because all of rational thought it based on the hyper complexification of two fundamental dualities (interior/exterior – or subject/object- and singular/plural –or whole/part) and its continual iterations “up the spiral”. We need to look at root causes of our confusion, and our chaotic energy body. That will be the real shift. Everything else is scenary.

    P: Brilliant! Lead us there.

    B: I think that the persistent interpretation of socio-cultural evolution as becoming something like a convergent super-self, or super-mind or super-subject or any such nonsense is part of the dialectical pattern of a dualistically entrenched rational consciousness. But this might be heretical to say on Beams so I keep my lips hermetically sealed for the time being.

    P: Well, maybe. What do other Beamers say to that? I'd just say: look Bonnitta, you just caught a fish in Germany through the super-mind-web, that never would have had the sensibility to follow the call to the farm before this web existed. And I hate it when people say „nonsense“ about anything, it seems so nonsensical to me that wherever they throw it is always worth my closer look.

    B: Thanks Philip for your wonderful insights!

    P: *Blush* Christ Bonnitta, I just followed my nose towards the fragrance of that flower you planted at the edge of the Beams garden. The gratitude is beating my heart!

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Friday, 16 December 2011 11:25 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    Hey Phillip,
    Just wanted to say my invitation to the farm is genuine -- and also it extends to the entire beams family. That is what we (at Alderlore) are here for. And also - can't wait to get that question/invitation - send it my way bonnittaroy@mindspring.com or message me on FB if you want to skype sometime.


    Bonnie

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Friday, 16 December 2011 12:43 posted by Philip Corkill

    Will do Bonnitta:-)

    Wow, thanks. Is the farm a place where we could gather as a group or better for individual pilgrimages?

    Soon,

    Phil

  • Comment Link Bonnitta Roy Friday, 16 December 2011 16:03 posted by Bonnitta Roy

    Phil- WE have done both. A few people have come for a summer, in a sort of chop-wood carry-water exchange for room and board. I mentor a few students through the Conscious Evolution program at The Graduate Institute - they come for individual sessions. And a couple of years ago we hosted a group of 15 people for an Integral Activism Symposium. 15 was a lot! 6 is more do-able (since the apartment is now occupied full time). I have always wanted to set the farm up to be a retreat center for individuals and groups - but the economy has forced me to rethink those arrangements.

    looking forward

    b

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Saturday, 17 December 2011 19:11 posted by Philip Corkill

    Great Bonnitta, there's exactly 6 on the Beam Team baskeball squad so far and we could use a transmutative energy-awareness training, a horse darshan, retreat next year to set the tone for the challenges to come.

    There is a mixed age, mixed gender, 3 on 3, Basketball tournament in Vienna each spring. And since ZenBall can only really be taught by example, I suggest we stage an activist demonstration of it's magic at the tournament in 2013.

    That way we can promote the farm and force the economy to rethink those arrangements.

  • Comment Link Philip Corkill Monday, 23 January 2012 19:51 posted by Philip Corkill

    Look here! I'm planting a seed on the fringes:

    http://vimeo.com/23030836

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