The Bird of Grey

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If you haven't yet read Sr. Vanessa's sterling piece on porn star Sasha Grey, you must--you absolutely must.  Seriously go read that piece first and then come back.

I was really intrigued by this section:

She is also no porno bimbo, nor an innocent young victim of the malevolent pornography industry; rather, Sasha is well-known for her sharp intelligence, her love of her job and her deep passion for art and existential philosophy. Deemed as a truly pioneering “postmodern pornstar”, Sasha continues to blur the lines between adult film and mainstream media.

Next to that 'graf is an image of the godfather of postmodern philosophy, Friedrich Nietzsche.  I think Nietzsche is an excellent person to bring into a discussion of Grey.  In some ways, I think Grey is the apotheosis of Nietzsche's philosophy.  She's the uber-woman if you like.  Br. Trevor may have some other thoughts on this as he is more the Nietzschean scholar than I am, but she to me embodies precisely Nietzsche's vision of the Bird of Prey who feasts upon the lambs of our world.  That she does this feasting in an industry that is typically thought to consist of sexual victims is quite mind bending (which I think in part explains the fascination with her).

To me, Grey rather uniquely (and perhaps depending on point of view disturbingly) expresses the basic tenets of Nietzsche's text, Beyond Good and Evil--i.e. beyond conventional good and evil.  While I'm not a Nietzschean, I nevertheless genuinely admire what I take to be her near total and "logical" application of his philosophy.   

Vanessa then goes in her piece to make the link between this postmodern ethos and the culture of narcissism (that liberation has only become about the individual self).  I think this is ultimately a flaw in Nietzsche's thought (and existentialism generally), but before burying them, we ought to give a moment's thought (I think) to their wisdom.  Nietzsche's defense of the Sophists and poets over the philosophers (the descendants of Plato and later Christian theology), his invocation of the theme of eternal recurrence, and the his cold-eyed insight into the ways in which we modern humans have killed God and traditional morality are worth some consideration.  My sense is that the talk of rampant narcissism in postmodernity is (at least partially) based on a correct insight that we live in a world without meaning.  In that world, it seems pretty logical to me to ask, "Why not get mine?"  The traditional world has failed us (see fundamentalism), modernity has brought wealth creation and lifted many out of poverty but has brought no sense of meaning (again see fundamentalism).  Postmodernity at least has exposed all this failure. I find postmodernism far more realistic (if at times despairing, paralyzed, confused, or disconnected). 

I think eventually we can reach a point of forming a new set of (post-postmodern) practices and truths that will call us to a deeper commitment than Grey's (here I agree with Vanessa). But I think the rot goes much deeper than the narcissism critique really takes us.  I think that process of forming such new practices of truth will be much more challenging than any of us imagine.  

After the failure of communism, The "End of History" since the 1990s, and the exposed corruption of capitalism and democratic governments in the last few years, what exactly is the point?  In a world where real wages for the middle class in the US have been declining since the 1970s (i.e. my entire f@#!in' life!!!), why not become the bird of prey--or in this case, The Bird of Grey?  

I think there are ways to respond to this question, ways that can take us into post-postmodernity, bringing back themes of (non-naive or weak) sincerity, boldness in proclamation (without blind arrogance), and commitment (while still recognizing multiple ways), but in order to do so, I think we need to take the postmodern ethos (and its legitimate responses to 20th and 21st century life) seriously.  Very seriously. 

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  • Comment Link Rich Munn Monday, 27 December 2010 19:14 posted by Rich Munn

    Hey Chris,

    Yes, this sense of something growing after the fallout . . . I like the distinction between deconstructive postmodernism and reconstructive postmodernism that someone once made.

    In many ways I think Tyler Durden, of Fight Club, goes through this journey after his alter-self prophetically declares that it's only after you loose everything can you be free. The whole film is one painful stripping away after another until he can finally hold Marla Singer's hand at the end, while the world blows up around them, and say in a movement of connection "you met me at a strange time in my life" . . .

  • Comment Link Luke Monday, 27 December 2010 22:37 posted by Luke

    Hey Chris,

    I quite enjoyed Vanessa's article. Cheers again for the great website.

    Have you ever seen Grey interviewed? It's painful stuff. That having been said, I'm not certain we're overstating her philosophical credentials. I'm not sure that she is pushing the pomo libertarian envelope as much as the media culture that pretends to sustain her while covertly failing her affirms a space for her banal adolescent sexual rebellion to overstate its purpose. Sure, she *sometimes* namechecks existentialists, but every time I've seen it happen, it has been with the kind of non-committal affect I used to take to my high-school friends when I'd discovered the meaning of life in an REM song. From reading some of her personal history, I have a strong suspicion she's a runaway motivated by a whole range of buried wounds and that circumstance is a lot more proximate in cause than a considered pomo libertarian position. The culture which affords her some kind of quasi-moral voice may well be an aberration, but I have strong doubts that Grey herself is aware of her philosophical debt.

    Cheers,

    L.

  • Comment Link D Fisher Tuesday, 28 December 2010 04:52 posted by D Fisher

    Hey Chris, I really like the territory you are pushing into here and your deepening of the inquiry...

    "I think eventually we can reach a point of forming a new set of (post-postmodern) practices and truths that will call us to a deeper commitment than Grey's (here I agree with Vanessa). But I think the rot goes much deeper than the narcissism critique really takes us. I think that process of forming such new practices of truth will be much more challenging than any of us imagine."

    Indeed...

  • Comment Link D Fisher Tuesday, 28 December 2010 05:06 posted by D Fisher

    Also, Luke, I think you have a valid case for questioning the depth of Sasha's philosophical knowledge and stance.

    This article is a good reflection of exactly the questions you are posing...

    http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/sasha-grey-15-minutes-with-a-porn-star.php

  • Comment Link Luke Fullaar Tuesday, 28 December 2010 13:50 posted by Luke Fullaar

    Thanks for that link Vanessa. It is right on point! Excellent articles all 'round.

  • Comment Link Chris Dierkes Tuesday, 28 December 2010 18:25 posted by Chris Dierkes

    thanks for the link Vanessa. I guess my response to the piece is to ask why the interviewer seems so disappointed he doesn't get the "real" Sasha Grey? The fact that everything with her is so rehearsed and formulaic (in the interview format) to me is strangely more honest on her part. The interview as revealing the "true inner" self is a very modernist enterprise, it seems to me. I'm not saying it's bad for it, just that the context of assuming questions and inner thoughts expressed outward gives us the "real" self assumes a whole way of seeing and interpreting the world.

    Sasha is again more postmodern (I think) insofar as what she does (whether this is self-conscious or not I don't know) expresses the mindset that there is only rhetoric. There's only the language game. It's not revealing of any inner self and it could be argued creating the entire social practice of an interview in that format (a la Foucault) is what creates the sense (illusory?) of an inner self.

  • Comment Link D Fisher Tuesday, 28 December 2010 21:00 posted by D Fisher

    I totally agree, Chris...

    I too still think Grey is still a great representation of of the postmodern woman in many ways. I also think that this interviewer may be underestimating Grey in some ways.

    I agree that I've never heard her speak in-depth about any existential philosopher, and I don't know how deep her philosophical knowledge really is, so I think he may have a point there. But I've also been impressed by some of her interviews. I don't think she is as dumb and immature as this guy thinks she is.

    Anyways, only time will tell if she really becomes the icon she is being propped up to be...

  • Comment Link Bergen Vermette Wednesday, 29 December 2010 00:23 posted by Bergen Vermette

    Love this point, Chris:


    "Sasha is again more postmodern (I think) insofar as what she does (whether this is self-conscious or not I don't know) expresses the mindset that there is only rhetoric. There's only the language game. It's not revealing of any inner self and it could be argued creating the entire social practice of an interview in that format (a la Foucault) is what creates the sense (illusory?) of an inner self."

    It reminds me of de Zengotita's "Mediated", which I think is probably the best description around of what post-modernism 'feels like' from the inside. As I don't have the book on hand today I cant quote directly from it, but he shows how post-modern culture is so thoroughly mediated that individuals can't help but view their life as a sort of 3rd person movie. Constantly aware of our personal story and how we're viewed, our hyper self-awareness lends itself to giving the kinds of interviews that we're speaking about here - not to mention Grey's savvy which is the subject of Vanessa's article.

  • Comment Link Chris Dierkes Wednesday, 29 December 2010 04:37 posted by Chris Dierkes

    Since I slagged on the interview in a modernist format and a kind of pomo feigned interest, I should mention that our own Br. TJ has worked on (imo) a post-postmodern re-imagining of the interview at Totem Figures.

    http://www.totemfigures.com/Site/Welcome.html

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